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Topic: Once Upon A Time Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 3:22am |
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Is anybody watching these shows? Grimm is utterly boring but I find myself mildly interested in Once Upon A
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Since me and you both agree this one is better LOL
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 3:25am |
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I'd make a separate thread for both in case anyone has spoilers for one. As for Grimm, yeah suckage.
Once Upon A Time is really good. It's obviously still finding it's voice but when it works it works. Episode 3(The Snow White/Prince Charming episode) was terrific, as was the last episode and the episode before. The Cinderella episode not so much...But yeah it's got great talent behind it, great acting and tons of potential, so I'm glad this show seems to be catching on.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:11am |
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I think it's interesting we all gave both Grimm and OUaT a shot and we all three decided Grimm was boring and not worth continuing, while OUaT had something going for it. I guess for me it came down to that while OUaT was more clearly the rip-off of Fables, at least it was ripping off something fresh, and thus had a semblance of being fresh itself. Grimm feels like at least 5 other shows I've seen on tv already, I don't need another Fringe or X-Files thanks.
I kind of get bored by the Snow/Prince Charming episodes though. I have tended to enjoy the ones more that feature Jennifer Morrison and the kid. Like the Jimminy Cricket episode.
But then I just read an issue of Fables and I'm like, "ugh why couldn't they have just adapted Fables!" LOL
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:16am |
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Well to be fair even Bill Cunningham said OUaT isn't a rip-off in his eyes...take that how you will...
I think I like OUaT for the reasons Xtreme said: good cast and potential that makes it like a much less convoluted, whimsical Lost. I enjoy seeing the fairy tale world and it's cool that they have access to Disney's properties so there is potential for many things very familiar to us to appear.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:44am |
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I'm still hoping for Fables on like FX or HBO...
And I don't see OUaT as a rip-off of Fables. Besides having the whole "Fables in the real world" nothing else really matches. And as Cunningham said in the interview BC is referring to he himself used other "Fables in the real world" as inspiration for Fables.
Grimm literally does feel like 1,000 other shows. And given that I DVR Fringe/Nikita/Supernatural on Friday's, there is no room for Grimm. Of course I haven't watched Supernatural this season but Fringe is going no where!
But back to OUaT, it's definitely my new favorite show. American Horror Story is just to damn uneven to take that title and no other drama this season has really reeled me in like this one(at least until Awake, which looks AMAZING but is having major network interference.) The good thing about OUaT is that it's on the perfect network. They have access to so many fairy tale.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:51am |
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I'm curious to see what other potential stories they might pull in. I'm hoping to see Aladdin and Jasmine soon. Give it alittle bit of color LOL
I think it would be cool if, maybe after the first season, establish that the Evil Queen's spell had an affect on other "fairy tales" and so we get to see some other cultura characters start to appear in the town. I love that it's partly a mystery too.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:38pm |
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Well Midas isn't Disney and they are doing Hansel & Gretel which is purely Grimm, so I guess they'll be including other fairy tales too.
I hope as the season progresses we get more villains. It's always the same two. This is fairy tale world! We should have tons of baddies!
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 5:43pm |
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Love this show as well. Just wish I knew what the real goal was.
OK, so Henry wants to lift the witch's curse and return the kingdom to what it was and help everyone remember. But how does that happen exactly? Just having Emma shake things up? It just seems so loose to me. I'm thinking of this like an RPG - there needs to be an actual crystal that we need to find or a spellbook with a reverse curse, or something we need to actually do to break the original spell. There has to be some kind of actual goal that we have to accomplish and not just a nebulous "we shake things up until the spell is broken." I dunno, just me maybe.
But I do really like the show and I like the character interactions. And the clever way the reinvent the fairytale characters into real world people is awesome. I just always feel like a real story is missing somewhere.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2011 at 9:49pm |
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Sometimes I get annoyed with shows and movies if the goal is too "video game" obvious. Like in Suckerpunch where they had to track down a map and a key and a sword in that order. In games that's cool, but this is a show I don't need my hand held. But you are right Tyler that's just personal preference so who am I to say.
I guess the reason I see it as Fables-like is that the characters all live in a community and the focus is on their relationships. Plus we get the flashbacks of their life in the "Homelands". True there are big differences with Fables, it's not a simple parody, but it's a lot closer than Grimm which is action/mystery-of-the-week stuff.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2011 at 3:53pm |
Originally posted by Anna Raven
Sometimes I get annoyed with shows and movies if the goal is too "video game" obvious. Like in Suckerpunch where they had to track down a map and a key and a sword in that order. In games that's cool, but this is a show I don't need my hand held. But you are right Tyler that's just personal preference so who am I to say. |
I don't need my hand held, I don't think anyone does. I just need a goal. What is it exactly they need to do to break the curse. Right now, just living in the town until it's broken is too ambiguous to me. I want to know what the actual tasks they have to accomplish are... or at least know that the characters know.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2011 at 5:17pm |
I'm liking OUaT, mostly because I love fairy tales...and I love the cast, and esp. love Rumplestiltskin as the villain. I'm not really loving the queen. I think the actress is good, and she's beautiful, but she's just such an unlikable character because it seems like her response to every single little thing is "be a b*tch." Even when doing so would obviously get her nowhere.
PS, Charming, Cindy's prince, and esp. the Huntsman are WAY hot.
Poor Grimm...they were really hoping it'd break out, but it's behind in ratings, where OUaT is the highest rated show in its slot on Sundays. I'm hoping that means a bigger budget since some of the fairy tale sequences are hard to stomach with all the CGI.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2011 at 5:28pm |
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I don't think the characters in the show really know what they need to do break the curse. Since only one character even believes there is a curse it's sort of impossible to have that "item". Maybe soon their will be. And obviously Snow White's glass coffin is important(as it made it into fairy tale world...), so I think as the season progresses we might get some head way there.
And yeah the CGI gets pretty bad, haha. It's been dipping in ratings lately but it's still holding steady as one of Sunday's highest rated shows, especially in 18-39. Plus DVR and internet gives it a boost. Sadly the rating system is a complete boost and I have a feeling this show is going on a lot of DVRs as the football season heats up.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2011 at 7:54pm |
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They'll factor DVD sales into renewals anyways, since that's how they make a lot of their money now. And that won't be known for a while. I'm ok with this show lasting only a couple seasons anyways; I feel like it will run out of story potential in about that much time, plus as much as I love my shows lasting, there are a lot of shows on now that have outlived their welcome...Grey's Anatomy anyone?
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Posted: 09-Dec-2011 at 8:03pm |
Originally posted by Milkshake08
They'll factor DVD sales into renewals anyways, since that's how they make a lot of their money now. And that won't be known for a while. I'm ok with this show lasting only a couple seasons anyways; I feel like it will run out of story potential in about that much time, plus as much as I love my shows lasting, there are a lot of shows on now that have outlived their welcome...Grey's Anatomy anyone? |
Smallville? CSI? X-Files? LOL I think no one disagrees with you there. The writers should have an end in mind. That way they can frame their stories around it and if they want to add things here and there, then they should leave some flexibility for it.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2011 at 8:19pm |
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I feel every serial story should have an end in right at the beginning. Like "Okay this is how many seasons we are planning, this will be the major thing each season etc."
Look at Supernatural. The first five seasons really work, especially season 4 and 5. That was because that was the planned end. But then they decided to renew it and it all went downhill from there.
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Posted: 13-Dec-2011 at 4:19am |
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Nooooooooooooooo! That's all I have to say about the Huntsman's death. He was one of my favorite characters...and the hottest to boot. Great episode, though. I'm so sad :(
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You know this is the first episode to really explicitly show the connection between the fairy-world and the real world. For a minute I thought: what if the fairy world was just BS, that would've been a swerve LOL
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So do you think the Huntsman might have been Rumple's son after he ran away? Or do you believe his story that he was raised by wolves?
I'm trying to figure out why Mr. Gold is turning against Regina, and if Grahm/Huntsman was his son that might be why.
Do you think the dagger that controls the Dark One is what Mr. Gold was out in the woods burying when Grahm went searching for the wolf? Or is it in his shop?
I'm still a bit confused by the dynamics of the Royals. Are Charming and Cinderella's husband related? Is the Evil Queen from a different realm than Charming? Like Midas was?
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Well the Evil Queen would have married Snow White's father who was the king of a separate realm than Charming, which is separate from Midas, and I think separate from Cinderella's prince, and also there is a Sleeping Beauty out there, and in some future episode a Belle and Beast. I'm assuming it's a whole world, with several different kingdoms, neighboring and not necessarily large. I hope they bring back Cinderella as it seemed that she was important in that one episode, but not enough to be a regular, I guess.
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Well, since Cinderella's celebration had Charming and Snow present, (and somebody more Kinglike than either Charming or the other Prince presiding over events) I thought perhaps Charming and Ella's Prince were related. I suppose they could just have a diplomatic relationship between their Kingdoms, but the way that Snow approached Ella seemed very happy sister-in-law like or new cousin by marriage.
Does anybody know who Dr. Well is? (Surely not the whale Pinocchio?) I saw on a website that some people thought he might be Rumple's runaway son. Some people said they thought the Huntsman was his son who lied about being raised by wolves, or was raised by wolves after age fourteen lol. I honestly wonder if his son didn't just run away to join the Troll Wars and die.
So, is Henry really just Emma's son and since he's not part of the original spell, that's how he was able to figure it out? Or is he Emma's son AND the reincarnation of Regina's father and therefore the heart of the spell, which is why he was so easily able to believe that the book actually told the story of the people of Storybrooke?
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Posted: 13-Jan-2012 at 7:50am |
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Oooo...reincarnated father of Regina. That'd be awesome.
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Is it wierd the dwarves are the same height as regular people?
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Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 3:15pm |
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No they're smaller, at least smaller then Snow.
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So who do you guys think the writer is? When he rolled into town on his bike and Emma sent him to Granny's I assumed he would be the Wolf. I'm not sure now. I'm kinda hoping he's a new villain because I'm growing a bit tired of the Evil Queen and Rumple being the only villains every episode.
Snow and Charming might just win the award for most drawn-out complicated relationship to exist in multiple dimensions.
I want more Ruby/Red. I think she's my favourite side character.
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She's hot, I'll give her that. I'd totally wear her fairy tale red cloak outfit. I hope they give her a back story soon.
I'll agree I'm tired of the Queen and Rumple as the only villains, much as I like them. It's just silly to only show them in the Fairy Tale world because there's obviously a plethora of villainous characters to draw upon, even their version of Maleficent. Plus, the Queen is getting so unlikable because, especially in the "real world" segments because she is so snippy all the time even when unprovoked. She sees Emma and goes out of her way to say something snotty or tell her not to do something which if she had any brains she would realize only makes Emma more likely to do it.
I like the writer mystery. I like Snow and Charming's relationship, but looking at the next few episodes, I'm afraid I might get tired of it. At least they aren't making his wife into a one dimensional and unlikable character, so you kind of root for her a bit too. I would really like to see some of the characters we've seen already come back. I mean Cinderella seemed important in that one episode (she took Rumple down) but hasn't been seen or mentioned since. Isn't Regina concerned about things like that? The spell supposedly took away happy endings, but Cinderella is reunited with her prince and has her child and Hansel and Gretl have their dad. Seems like that would make her start to worry.
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