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Blackcyclops 
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 Topic: Avengers Academy vs The X-KidsPosted: 10-Dec-2011 at 11:32pm |
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Avengers Academy: Juston Seyfert and his Sentinel, Turbo, Wiz Kid, Butterball, Power Man, Machine Kid, Batwing, Rocket Racer, Lyra-She Hulk, Thunderstrike, Hollow, White Tiger, Reptil, Finesse, Mettle, Hazmat, X-23,
vs the X-Kids No-Girl, Cuckoo Sisters, Match, Rockslide, Anole, Dust, Mercury, Prodigy, Hellion, Surge, Loa, Indra, Ernst, Kid Omega, Trance, Glob Herman, Oyo, Gentle, Hellion, Bling,Armor, and Crosta Bonus: Avengers Academy staff: Giant Man, Tigra, Quicksilver, and Hawkeye vs Jean Grey School Junior Staff/Adjunct: Cannonball, Husk, Chamber, Karma, and Frenzy |
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das_boot
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Posted: 14-Dec-2011 at 2:54am |
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I think this comes down to the age old argument-- do the AA kids have enough battle experience to take down the telepaths first? If not, this is pretty much a cake-walk with the combined powers of Karma, QQ, the Cuckoos and No-Girl. Then again, with X-23 on their side, there's every chance that they realise this. On a play-by-play...
--Anybody with anything electrical/computerised should stay away from Surge. So that would be the boy with the Sentinel, Turbo, Wiz Kid, Machine Kid. If she's not taken out by them pretty early on, her super-speed and electrical powers could wreak havoc on a lot of their members. --Hellion, Armor, Crosta (assuming he ALSO has Atlantean super-strength), Bling!, Rockslide, Frenzy, Cannonball, Husk and Mercury make up a squad-within-squad who are hard to hurt. I don't much care how much training in martial arts someone has had, if their power set doesn't include invulnerability, you still have a guy made of rock pounding on your head. --The AA staff are far more experienced than the JGI staff... however I think that with characters like Frenzy (who lives up to her name) and Cannonball, who can be a pretty ruthless strategist when the need arises, they might just have the edge... use someone like Dust to suppress Hawkeye's ability to take a shot and Quicksilver's vision and they might be able take them. --If that fails, they could just throw Loa at everyone, a la Deadpool. Yeah, biased on the basis of liking the characters better, but I think the X-kids take this one. Take away the psychics and I think that it would go to the AA. |
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Tyler5618
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Posted: 13-Jan-2012 at 4:33pm |
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Far too much to choose from... how about 1 on 1 fights that we can breakdown.
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 13-Jan-2012 at 5:07pm |
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Wiz Kid vs GLob Herman
Butterball vs Bling Power Man vs Anole Machine Kid vs Mercury Batwin vs Match Rocket Racer vs Loa Lyra-She Hulk vs Gentle Thunderstrike vs Indra Hollow vs Dust White Tiger vs Surge Reptil vs Armor Mettle vs Rockslide Hazmat vs Hellion Stryker vs Kid Omega Finesse vs Prodigy X-23 vs Oya Giant Man vs Frenzy Tigra vs Husk Quicksilver vs Cannonball Hawkeye vs Karma |
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marhawkman
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 4:51am |
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I think I'll just do a best/worse matchups for them. Hmmm... 22 on the Avengers Academy side: Batwing, Boulder, Finesse, Hazmat, Hollow, Hybrid, Justin Seyfert, Lightspeed, Machine Teen, Mettle, Power Man, Reptil, Ricochet, Rocket Racer, She-Hulk, Spider-Girl, Striker, Thunderstrike, Turbo, White Tiger, Wiz Kid, X-23 For the Xteam, JGSfHL: Hisako Ichiki (Armor), Victor Borkowski (Anole), Ruth Aldine (Blindfold), Roxy Washington (Bling!), Broo, Alisa Tager (Cipher), Ernst, Face, Nezhno Abidemi (Gentle), Robert Herman (Glob Herman), Jonas Graymalkin (Graymalkin), Julian Keller (Hellion), Paras Gavaskar (Indra), Kid Gladiator, Quentin Quire (Kid Omega), Ben Hammill (Match), Cessily Kincaid (Mercury), Idie Okonkwo (Oya), Santo Vaccarro (Rockslide), Hope Abbott (Trance), Evan Sabahnur (Genesis), and to make it 22 we can toss in Karma, she's kinda needed to have Face fight anyways. So on to the breakdown: Boulder, worst: Hellion, Hellion can throw him into orbit with his TK, coolest: Kid Gladiator, Boulder can take a punch from pretty much anyone. Finesse, worst: Glob Herman, he'd be very hard for her to damage and could easily floor her with a punch, coolest: Bling! Hazmat, worst: Rockslide, again, she can't really hurt him but he can hurt her, coolest: Match, it'd be amusing to see them blasting at each otehr almost endlessly Hollow, worst: Karma, if the possesion works anyways, coolest: Hybrid, worst: Oya, She could probably freeze him solid, coolest: Genesis, they're both superpowerful and neither has a clear edge Justin Seyfert, worst: Broo, Broo could probably get to Justin before the sentinel could do anything about it, coolest: Rockslide Lightspeed, worst: Ernst, she's agile enough to dodge Julie's attacks and strong enough to easily beat her, coolest: Trance Machine Teen, worst: Kid Gladiator, ADAM has power to spare, but probably couldn't make a dent in Kubark, coolest: Cessily Kincaid (Mercury) Mettle, worst: Nezhno, coolest: Graymalkin Power Man, worst: Indra, coolest: Ernst Reptil, worst: Match, , coolest: Anole, claw fight! Ricochet, worst: Blindfold, coolest: Alisa Tager (Cipher) Rocket Racer, worst: Genesis, coolest: She-Hulk, worst: Quire, her power requires her to remain emotionally calm, against someone who can manipulate her mind she's almost helpless, coolest: Spider-Girl, worst: , , coolest: Glob Herman Striker, worst: Bling, she has AFAIK a nonconductive body, coolest: Julian Keller (Hellion) Thunderstrike, worst: , , coolest: Gentle Turbo, worst: Face, coolest: Broo White Tiger, worst: Trance, Ava can't do anything to counteract Hope's powers, coolest: Wiz Kid, worst: Cipher, coolest: Face X-23, worst: Mercury, Coolest: Hisako JGSfHL Victor Borkowski (Anole), worst: Spider-Girl, coolest: Machine Teen Ruth Aldine (Blindfold), worst: Thunderstrike, coolest: Power Man Roxy Washington (Bling!), worst: Boulder, coolest: Justin Seyfert Broo, worst: Hazmat, coolest: Batwing Alisa Tager (Cipher), Worst matchup: Hollow, Alisa can't do anything to hurt her at all. Coolest: Finesse, Ernst, worst: X-23, coolest: Mettle Face, worst: Mettle, coolest: Lightspeed Nezhno Abidemi (Gentle), worst: Rocket Racer, coolest: Reptil Robert Herman (Glob Herman), worst: White Tiger, coolest: Ricochet Jonas Graymalkin (Graymalkin), worst: Lightspeed, he'd get weaker just standing next to her, coolest: Julian Keller (Hellion), worst: Justin Seyfert, coolest: Thunderstrike Paras Gavaskar (Indra), worst: , coolest: Hollow Kid Gladiator, worst: , coolest: She-Hulk Quentin Quire (Kid Omega), worst: Finesse, coolest: Hybrid Ben Hammill (Match), worst: Ricochet, coolest: Striker Cessily Kincaid (Mercury), worst: Striker, coolest: Idie Okonkwo (Oya), worst: Hybrid, coolest: Santo Vaccarro (Rockslide), worst: Power Man, coolest: Boulder Hope Abbott (Trance), worst: Reptil, coolest: Hazmat Evan Sabahnur (Genesis), worst: She-Hulk, coolest: Turbo Xi'an Coy Manh (Karma), worst: Turbo, coolest: yeah I left a few blank. It's noteworthy that even though the JG team still has more telepaths they no longer have a total monopoly, and the AA team has a few members who are resistant, totally immune, or in the case of Hybrid a telepath.
another interesting thing is that the AA team has a lot of peeps who fly while the JG team doesn't.
EDIT: I had this window open for 10 hours???? oops, got side tracked... so for BC's list:
Wiz Kid vs Glob Herman: wiz kid, his wheely chairs are fast and well armed Butterball vs Bling: Boulder, Bling can't hurt him. He'd have to exert himself a lot to hurt her, but he'd get to it eventually Power Man vs Anole: long winded slugfest.... probably Power Man Machine Kid vs Mercury: hard to say, but probably Machine Kid Batwing vs Match: another that's hard to call, neither has a clear edge. Rocket Racer vs Loa: oooh... I'd go with Loa Lyra-She Hulk vs Gentle: probably Lyra, Gentle's somewhat lacking in the ability to keep fighting for a long time. Thunderstrike vs Indra: now that'd be epic! I'd guess Thunderstrike. Hollow vs Dust: indefinate stalemate. White Tiger vs Surge: Surge. Sure Aya's fast and strong amd a trained fighter, but she's not fast enough Reptil vs Armor: Reptil is definately big, but Armor can imitate Ultraman if she wants, so Armor Mettle vs Rockslide: Rockslide would probably get tired first. Hazmat vs Hellion: oooh.... interesting.... probably Hazmat Stryker vs Kid Omega: QQ, Striker's not as fast, and has no resist to TP. Finesse vs Prodigy: if it was an academic contest it'd be epic, but in a fist fight? Finesse. X-23 vs Oya: probably X-23 Giant Man vs Frenzy: Cargill Tigra vs Husk: too close to call Quicksilver vs Cannonball: probably Sam, Pietro'd have to suckerpunch him Hawkeye vs Karma: Clint Edited by marhawkman - 14-Jan-2012 at 5:05am |
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 7:04am |
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I think Hazmat is far more powerful than Match...she has the power to simulate a number of forms of radiation. I mean she was able to affect Korvac. Match, form what we've seen, is just a pyrotechnic.
Butterball is pretty much immortal...with the exception of spiritual pain as illustrated by Hybrid. |
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marhawkman
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 3:03pm |
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one thing I thought of after posting is that Hazmat isn't actually limited to radiation, she can also absorb toxic chemicals. so yeah, but the idea was of the visual of the two blasting at each other over and over. Both of them are kinda limited in options for attacking at range, so it becomes a matter of who can hit the other first. Also neither can directly counter the other's powers.
Now that I think about it, Butterball/Boulder is the guy on the AA team with the second most to worry about vs telepaths (Lyra's still top)
so who do you think would be a good choice on the JG team to face the might of Hybrid? :D
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Ciel
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 6:11pm |
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Easy answer would be Wolverine, who we're inexplicably not counting as "staff" here.
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marhawkman
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 6:54pm |
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For mine I left out staff, mostly. But Hybrid's a student not staff. And honestly, Hybrid would probably kick his butt.
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 7:26pm |
Hazmats radioactive powers could reach into infrared, making match kinda ineffective. Cuckoos could take on Hybrid? Of course hes a villain so he really wouldnt be fighting on they behalf. Striker would dominate Surge if she does superspeed knock him out. He has more versatility with his powers. |
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Ciel
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 9:37pm |
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They have the same powers, but while Striker has more versatility Surge has more training, doesn't she?
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 9:42pm |
True...actually with the exception of Turbo (she's like in her 20s), Lyra (essentially the Hulk's version of X-23), and X-23, the JGS kids are far more experienced than the Avengers Academy. I mean the Avengers Academy core group have battle more powerful foes, I would say the JGS kids have battle more times with foes who are more savage (Purifiers and PRime Sentinels) |
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marhawkman
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Posted: 15-Jan-2012 at 5:55am |
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I don't think Hazmat can absorb Heat. She can absorb Infrared, but heat from an actual fire is more than just infrared energy.
Cuckoos aren't at the JG school, but I guess. They'd probably be able to beat him in a telapathic contest, but if they had to take him on some other way.... not gonna work. And yes Hybrid's a student at AA now....
I'd guess that Surge would win. Striker generates electricity rather than chanelling it and he's never to my knowledge demonstrated super speed.
Actually, Hybrid's got LOTS of experience... He's gotten the crud kicked out of him by Rom several times.... And Magik. Actually that'd be a cool grudge match, but it's not clear if Magik 2 would remember when Magik 1 fought Hybrid.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2012 at 7:04am |
You didnt specific a JGS student for the hybrid fight so i apologize. Striker can manipulate for more effects than just energy blasts and i agreed on the speed part. I didnt count Hybrid because he's a villain in the current story and i was framing it as actual students fighting diring AvX. Of course i also left out the new students . Two of whom are probably Avengers level threats. |
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Ciel
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Posted: 15-Jan-2012 at 11:48pm |
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Are the Cuckoos still able to transform into diamond if it so suits their fancy? I'd imagine three unbreakable girls with X-Men training attempting to see how many punches it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a Hybrid Pop could likely manage that.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2012 at 7:38am |
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Well, Hybrid has a forcefield ability, and TK so he could just use them for Lawn darts.
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Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 4:42pm |
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Shouldn't we add Jubilee on the list?
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Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:34pm |
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My list left out anyone on Utopia, which IIRC is where Jubilee is right now.
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Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 4:50am |
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Striker wouldn't stand a chance against Surge. His attacks would only give her more fuel to kick his ass.
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Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 5:10am |
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Yeah she'd just drain him of juice and punch him at supersonic speed.
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Posted: 31-Jan-2012 at 5:57pm |
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No-Girl, Surge, Prodigy, Dust and the Cuckoos are Utopian X-kids.
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