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  Quote Binaryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Things You Wish Artists Would Remember...
    Posted: 17-Jan-2012 at 9:53pm
Do you ever find yourself distracted by odd artistic gaffes or oversights in the X-Comics?  This happened with Gambit's oddly normal eyes in the latest issue of X-Men: Legacy and I was wondering if there were other details you wish that artists would remember and get right...  here are some recent ones that have jumped out at me:

- Gambit's eyes
- Frenzy's build/height
- Blink's skin should be greyish/lavender
- Kitty Pryde has naturally curly hair (which is back under Bradshaw's pencils but not everywhere else)
- Anole's ever-changing head and arm design...
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  Quote das_boot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2012 at 10:08pm
I know it gets mentioned all the time, but I find Land's art ridiculously distracting.

I often find myself playing 'hunt the frog' in Bachalo's art.

Pixie's ever changing hair/wing colour often grates on me.
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  Quote Crawler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2012 at 10:13pm
In city scenes, you can tell when a writer doesn't mention that it's raining until later in the script when the first few panels have rain, but no one has an umbrella. The umbrellas show up in the panel that finally mentions that it's supposed to be raining.

That's not really a complain, but it's something I've noticed.

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  Quote elixir86 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2012 at 10:26pm
Character's eyes color...Wolverine has been depicted with countless different eyes...Storm had brown eyes in the Regenesis OS...or was that another proof of the existence of the Stormbot?
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  Quote kalibeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2012 at 10:52pm
I distinctly remember hating when artists in the 90s would mess up Rogue's costume from that era. It was also unbelievably annoying to me when they would forget her white streak... but I was kind of an OCD child, so...
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  Quote Binaryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 5:08am
I wish there were a modest attempt at consistency in how they draw Cat-Beast.  No two artists seem to draw him with the same size, shape, fur or face.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 5:39am

As an artist I can see where they are coming from though. No two artist are the same and everyone wants to be distinctive in their depiction of things. It's why Batman's ears are different sizes throughout the decades. I agree that Beast should at least look like a cat but every artist has a different way of drawing a cat.

Somethings (like Frenzy's build or Gambit's eyes) I think should be consistent. But certain things should be up to the artistic interpretation of the artist. Otherwise what's the point of using different artist, just use one artist to draw everything...
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  Quote Anna Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:06am
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As an artist I can see where they are coming from though. No two artist are the same and everyone wants to be distinctive in their depiction of things. It's why Batman's ears are different sizes throughout the decades. I agree that Beast should at least look like a cat but every artist has a different way of drawing a cat.

Somethings (like Frenzy's build or Gambit's eyes) I think should be consistent. But certain things should be up to the artistic interpretation of the artist. Otherwise what's the point of using different artist, just use one artist to draw everything...


Bingo! Here here. Let's not force every artist to be alike. There are some things are easy to keep consistent, but I'm big on diversity of style.
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  Quote Wolfthomas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:55am
Not a character thing but I hate it when there's a newspaper and the text under the title is gibberish like afvhffdjafnskggsdfshfhsoa, you either have the test blurred enough not to read or you have actual text.
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  Quote Gremlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 3:22pm
Psylocke is Japanese.....not Caucasian....there was a big story about it. When Psylocke appears in a regular title she tends to be drawn with Asian features (unless Land draws her). But when she is borrowed by another artist they seem not to bother with her ethnicity. Take a look at the recent Psylocke vs Black Widow cover to AvsX......they haven't even made an attempt.
 
Psylocke should also have purple hair or at least dye it with purple streaks.
 
 
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  Quote InsipidLust Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:16pm
Monet's constant shifts between ethnicities has always bothered me, although I don't think it's been as obnoxious in recent times as it was in the past

The heights of female characters oftentimes bother, but only when they're portrayed as short. Mainly, Emma, Storm, and Psylocke. These women are at least 5 feet and 9 inches tall. Portray them as such, for pity's sake. Also, I really notice when Wolverine's standing at a taller height than people that he shouldn't be. It's a nitpick, but one that does get on my nerve.
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  Quote Polaris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:52pm
Every real Domino fan knows she has purple eyes.
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  Quote UncannyScott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 10:43pm
Artists should be able to have interpertation on things indeed it is why you pick different one's, for the different styles and such. Though I really think Marvel needs to get back to making sure certain things stay the same. Like allowing that artist on the Astonishing X-Men Exogenesis mini, can't recall the name, give Storm the mohawk just cause he felt like it even though it matched nothing anywhere in canon in the last two decades.

Beast should look cat like, but that can change some. But can't have one artist suddenly make him old ape like beast just cause. Or make sure Psylocke looks Asian and not Caucasian like others mentioned.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 10:57pm
YEah, but there's a big difference between drawing a character with a different hairstyle, and drawing Arclight to look like a supermodel.  Like Joanna Cargill, Phillipa Sontagg is supposed to be larger than your average supermodel, yet..... get drawn the same size as everyone else.

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  Quote XtremeOne1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 11:31pm
I agree with Uncanny, let's have some consistencies. Astonishing was a joke. Storm and her mohawk, Jersey Shore Emma Frost, etc.

And a little less T&A covers would do. I understand they need to happen but sometimes they're just embarrassing that I'd never want anyone to find it lying around in my room. The Avengers vs. X-men: Psylocke/Black Widow promo image was horrible. She was shooting her boob!!

Monet's shifting ethnicity is a huge one. In Gen-X she was always dark skinned and then she got a tad more light and now sometimes, she's actually white. WTF.

Eye color is also a big thing for me. Peter Parker alternates eye colors all the time.

Whoever is on FF(starting at #13) needs to be taken off as that was some of the worst art I've seen in years.

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 12:08am
Lol @Xtreme I don't think "bad" art counts lmao...same thing as T/A lol
Proportion size is a lot trickier than skin color or "ethnic" features. Although both are subjective, proportions are definitely something that differs with artist. Bachalo won't make a person look the same as Mann or Land. Of course with ethnic features you go beyond just skin color and start to get into facial features and such. Some artist depending on their level of realism can really vary on that. Again somethings are harder to enforce as consistency (like proportions or a "look") versus others (like hair color).
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 3:55am

What about Height?  It's not asking too much for tall characters to be drawn that way and short to be drawn short, right?

Using an old example, Michael Turner tended to draw all female characters to look like supermodels.  However he usually drew them to be the right height.  He did a very good job of making characters distinct from each other even though he tended to draw them all with the same figure.

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  Quote Anna Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 4:30am
Height can be tough because an artist has to think about 1) perspective which can cause optical illusions with height and size, 2) storytelling - sometimes its more important to portray characters larger or smaller than they really are to establish them as "powerful" or "vulnerable" or some other mood. Not usually but it's a consideration. And 3) sometimes its just a practical consideration to allow things to fit within a panel, such as word balloons and other text, other characters.

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  Quote Tyler5618 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 7:56pm
A lot that you guys already mentioned:
Pixie's eye color/wings
Gambit's eyes
Frenzy's height
Monet's skin color
Wolverine's height

but what about
Armor's bio-armor -- sometimes horns, sometimes not, other inconsistencies
Hellion's arms -- should be his AoX arms, which he had in the first arc of WatX but not in X-23 or in the last issue of WatX.
Iceman -- when he ices up, either we can see his trunks/shorts or they ice up too... but choose!
Namor's uniform -- leave the X on dammit, stop taking it off when he appears in FF, Invaders, or whatever else you throw him in. If he's one of the X-Men then he represents in all his appearances (I mean, Wolverine does)!

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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 9:18pm
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Armor's bio-armor -- sometimes horns, sometimes not, other inconsistencies
There's actually a good reason for this.  Her bio-armor is malleable and Hisako can change it's appearance.  And yeah, they've shown her doing this on panel.  From things like mimicing Wolverine popping his claws to imitating Ultraman she does have the ability to modify her armor to suit the situation.

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  Quote Tyler5618 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 9:35pm
Well then I stand corrected :) Thanks marhawkman
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  Quote Cable Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 9:51pm
I never noticed tangents until Chris Eliopoulos starting complaining about them on Twitter. He ruined comics for me lol Tongue See here for what tangents are.


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  Quote Gremlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2012 at 12:22am
The visual representatives of telepathy and telekinesis. Such as Psylocke's purple butterfly, Hellion's green TK, Magneto's pink magnetic stuff. Is this purely for our purposes or can the characters see this effect. Sometimes it looks good and it's a nice visualisation such as in Psylocke's case.....but other times such as Magneto's PINK power sugnature I just don't understand.
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  Quote Milkshake08 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2012 at 1:19am
My big peeves are really just eye/hair color. And they mess up certain people's more than others.
 
Wolverine: I mean what color ARE his eyes even?
 
Rogue: They're supposed to be green, but sometimes they're colored brown.
 
Pixie: Dammit there was a whole story about her going demon, and she got black eyes and black streaks in her pink hair, but then Land didn't draw those in and suddenly they haven't existed since.
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  Quote Anna Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jan-2012 at 1:38am
Originally posted by Cable

I never noticed tangents until Chris Eliopoulos starting complaining about them on Twitter. He ruined comics for me lolĀ Tongue See here for what tangents are.



Oh yeh. Tangents are HORRIBLE! I definitely notice them all the time now since I started trying to draw my own comics. Just bad composition in general is an issue of sloppiness for sure.
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