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    Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 5:01pm
One of my dorkier habits is thinking about things like time travel in my spare time, lol.  I'm no scholar in quantum theory (in fact, I bet a lot of us here aren't), but I think it's fun to think about things like this!  And I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say about the subject.

Let's pretend time travel is possible (which it very well may be - who's to say for sure).  How do you guys think it would go down?

There are a lot of theories out there that are like the 2009 "Star Trek" rule - that if one were to go back in time, they wouldn't alter the past, rather create a divergent timeline/reality.  Ours would remain intact (William Shatner's Kirk), but there would be another reality created that would carry the consequences of said time travel (Chris Pine's Kirk).

However, I'm of the "12 Monkeys"/"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" rule - that if someone were to go back in time and alter the past, we'd never know because it would have already occurred in our past.  Like when Harry gets beaned in the head with the stone that Hermione throws at him in Hagrid's hut.

Naturally, either theory raises all sorts of questions.  With the "Star Trek" rule, I'm curious about what happens to the person going back in time - would Nimoy-Spock really never be seen again in the Shatnerverse?  Why aren't there more consequences to having the two Spocks meet?  (Nimoy and Quinto.)  And furthermore - why wasn't a divergent timeline created when the Enterprise crew went back in time in "Star Trek IV" to rescue the whales?  (Besides the obvious answer of different writers handling different stories, clearly.)

And with the "12 Monkeys"/"Harry Potter" rule - is time travel to the future even possible, then?  What consequences might arise if that were indeed possible?

What do you guys think?  Go nuts with your theories and explanations!  Tongue


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  Quote Cable Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 5:38pm
I know we are on a comic book website, but with no bias intended I think Marvel really has the best time travel philosophy, which is basically the same as the Star Trek one you mentioned above. You can only go forward in time. If you try to go back, you will instead enter an alternate reality. It seems logically to me that this is the only way it could possibly be. The other way doesnt make sense because there is always a "first time" that everything happens. The very first time that history happens there can be no influence from the future because the future doesnt exist yet. That "time" will always exist. If someone then goes back and changes it, it was only because that "time" passed. They would now be in a different time where it didn't happen the same way the "first time" did. Because that event could not have possibly happened that way the "first time." (Also note that if you go back in time you can never re-enter your own "first time." If traveling back to the future you would stay in the new time where you had gone back.)

That's the most logical system, although Marvel deviates from it when its convenient for them. I have heard ideas that time isn't linear and therefore even the first time the future does exist but quite frankly that is so inherently illogical that I refuse to try to reason it lol




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  Quote AntiBody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 7:31pm
Another thing that's difficult for me to wrap my head around - what if I went to the future and did something significant there.  Let's say I traveled 50 years into the future.  What if somebody else then traveled 40 years into the future and did something that incidentally prevented my being able to change the thing in the 50 years... Aaaa!!  Lol
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  Quote das_boot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2012 at 8:08pm
I think it's a tough question to answer. Potentially, even leaving a second between time-travellers (for example, Antibody travels forward in time at precisely mid-day. Cable is jealous because his name sake be a time-traveller, yo, and so a whole second later travels forward through time) could leave the travellers in divergent time lines. But then surely that would be the same when travelling backwards?

Time travel confuses me greatly.
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  Quote AntiBody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 4:20pm
Another funny thing: I never thought about time traveling as also having to be time AND SPACE traveling until someone said it in a comic lately (Uncanny X-Force?  Great, now I can't remember my source material and I'm at work and can't look it up...).  Traveling to Paris in 1848 would be fun, but if the Earth is in a different place in its orbit at that time, well, you're effed.  Lol
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  Quote Spectral Knight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2012 at 4:41pm
Not to mention that the universe itself is expanding, so even if the Earth itself was in the same orbit, the location of the Milky Way galaxy would have shifted and you could well up being sun-burnt to the Nth degree.

Often think about possiblities, but having a really really bad grasp of actual physics (in fact, pretty much all of my physics knowledge is derived from sci-fi shows, books and comics!), I don't really have a clue about the real probabilities.
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  Quote BeastMcLion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Feb-2012 at 4:31pm

according to quantam theory (and Dr. Manhattan) time is non linear and does not seperate itself into past present and future its only the human perception of the passage of time that sorts itself out if we percieved it all at once like it actually occurs wed go insane so inversely traveling through time would be possible  but any change in that reality would send you spiraling into one of many seperate realities that exsist, the universe you were in would still remain intact but you would be in a seperate one however if you do not alter a thing you can travel through the past safely, so when stephen hawking says since we dont see visitors from the future so time travel cant exsist, the reason we dont see them is that if we did it would severly alter the future

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  Quote Michael_Vox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 5:34am
Originally posted by Spectral Knight

Not to mention that the universe itself is expanding, so even if the Earth itself was in the same orbit, the location of the Milky Way galaxy would have shifted and you could well up being sun-burnt to the Nth degree.



Heck, even Nightcrawler would have to compensate for this for a long 'port, unless his teleport is truly instantaneous, which it was often shown to have a slight pause in his transport.
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  Quote Kurui Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2012 at 7:51am

Because I AP I always thought time exists simultaneously as past, present, future so that there is no concept of time itself. To travel "back in time" would be to vibrate to another plane of existence still happening as an alternate. That's not to say that what you do won't effect the 'future" as planes constantly split into these branches, so in some branch somewhere your efforts would have made difference. Just not necessarily in the same vein of planes you'll go back to unless you find the certain path and even then, can we be sure? It seems to be a pretty tough call to me.

But it would have occurred either way no matter what. A plane for every infinite possibility and splitting more for each action and breath we take. It never stops splitting. Ever.

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  Quote MaysB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2012 at 9:28am
Really?
I think I will never believe time travels are possible!
But the romance of this idea will never leave me))

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  Quote smurftacular Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2012 at 4:53pm
What if you incorporated the many worlds theory into a time travel theory? Therefore, if you were able to travel to the future the choices you made while there would tangent off into a new timeline, leaving your original timeline unchanged and other timelines open for trial and error possibilities? Just a thought.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2012 at 2:10am
Thinking about time travel makes my head hurt. Ive always pondered upon something Apocalypse said in X-Men:TAS during the Beyond Good And Evil episodes. He mentioned that motion+thought= time, so the mind transcends time or something like that. Makes more sense to me than all the scientific formulas for time and such.
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