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EvilMonkeyPope
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Topic: DCnU Bat-Family Posted: 05-Dec-2012 at 1:17am |
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I agree that Wayne needs a better security system, but it's not like Alfred is some newly hired butler that doesn't know Bruce's secret identity. He's gotta be at least as paranoid as Bruce to protect his master. When you find unsolicited two-headed taxidermy on at your door in a city where Two-Face lives, I'd expect even normal citizens to barricade themselves & call the police.
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Posted: 05-Dec-2012 at 1:10am |
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Eh, I just don't see it that way. Seems more like bad luck of the draw than incompetence. If you told me that Barbara kept a key under the Welcome mat while living in crime ridden Gotham City, then I would Agree with you.
And poor Alfred is just doing his job. Butlers are supposed to answer doors and pick up packages. If anything he should be suing Bruce Wayne for not having a better security system, guards, attack dogs, cameras etc.
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Posted: 04-Dec-2012 at 10:44pm |
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Both Alfred & Babs are closely linked to two of the biggest crime targets (its richest playboy industrialist & the police commissioner) in Gotham City, which is infested with insane supervillains & aggressive garden variety criminals. They're also in on the whole crime fighting deal. I look out my keyhole every time the doorbell rings & I don't even live in a high crime area. So yes, I hold members of the Bat-family to a higher standard of safety & competence.
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Posted: 04-Dec-2012 at 4:45pm |
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Failing to look out the keyhole when you answer the door on an otherwise uneventful day shows a lack of common sense? Talk about holding fictional characters to higher standards than normal people lol. Who hasn't opened the door without looking first because they were distracted, or were expecting someone, or simply don't live in fear?
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Posted: 04-Dec-2012 at 7:30am |
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/11/29/batman-death-of-the-family-scott-snyder-interview/I still call shenanigans on Alfred opening the front door to see who left a two-headed taxidermy on the stoop. He knows Gotham City is filled with criminally insane supervillains who'd love to take a stab at his paranoid master. This is as sloppy as Babs not looking out her keyhole during The Killing Joke. Is making clever people lose their common sense a secret Joker superpower?
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Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 11:04pm |
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Read Batman 13.
Nightwing, Red Robin, and Batgirl all calling Batman about Joker being back made me think of that scene in It.
The scene in the police department with Gordon was truly creepy. The "Tease" back-up with Harley was even creepier. Loved it.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 5:13am |
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I'm annoyed that Scarecrow is now being drawn & colored just like the inferior Marvel version.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 11:23pm |
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Im pretty sure this isnt a crossover in the style of messiah complex where each book tells the next chapter. I'm assuming like BC said, this will be more like night of the owls where snyders book contains the actual story and batgirl, red hood, nightwing etc will showcase those characters interactions with joker.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 11:03pm |
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I think I may jump back into the Batbooks for this.
Is this crossing over from title to title, or are all of the titles having their own contained part in the crossover?
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 10:44pm |
Originally posted by Lorr
You have a point there. I can't think of many comic stories I loved him in besides killing joke. My love of him comes from tv, movies, and cartoons. I am Kinda worried about this being a crossover though and if his portrayal by the other bat book writers will mesh with snyders take here. |
Very true...but the bonus here is that with the way Snyder works, unless you really really care about or already follow those books, you can avoid them and get recaps here.
I don't even read Red Hood but there's no way I can miss a Joker and Jason Todd confrontation...and Batgirl and the Joker?? DUDE!!!!
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 10:41pm |
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You have a point there. I can't think of many comic stories I loved him in besides killing joke. My love of him comes from tv, movies, and cartoons. I am Kinda worried about this being a crossover though and if his portrayal by the other bat book writers will mesh with snyders take here.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 6:55pm |
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You know what, I've never really...I guess..."respected" the comic book Joker. I mean I read Killing Joke and TDKR and loved it. But its just something here that really makes me afraid of this gun.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 1:58pm |
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Yeah, I read that at night in the dark before I went to bed, and I was seriously creeped out. The police station scene was terrifying, all I could think was what it would be like if this was on a movie screen.
I'm also assuming from the last page that the backup from red hood #0 is to be taken literally and joker already knows the bat family identities....not good.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 5:27am |
Originally posted by Lorr
Death of the Family part one...whoa....that was kinda intense.....scary even. |
Dude...it was incredible...like damn...
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 5:12am |
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Death of the Family part one...whoa....that was kinda intense.....scary even.
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 9:20pm |
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So I'd say its safe to say that Death of the Family is the biggest story of the rest of 2012...Snyder is probably the best writer at DC right now (tied with Waid at DC as the best in the big two) to me and I think with that and RottWorld he's going to own the rest of the year.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2012 at 9:14pm |
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Yeah, that at least would have been less confusing. DC's decision to keep Batman continuity relatively intact makes a bigger mess than rebooting of it I would say. Hell shoudl have rebooted all things and just gone with Batman and Robin as Bruce and Dick or something. More and more I think they should have just had the balls to fully reboot all things. Since at this point they are trying to still do that anyways. Issue one we're told Tim was a Robin and such, by issue 0 after 12 that's different.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2012 at 5:02pm |
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They should have gone with Lobdell's original plan and have Drake not ever be Robin... it'd have made more sense with his #0 issue to have him idolize Batman and figure out Batman's schtick and then try to emulate it... totally unconnected to Batman at all. Then there would be space for Dick, Jason, and Damian in the timeframe given.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2012 at 1:12am |
It's really strange that they didn't throw in some accelerated aging to explain why Daimian is older than Bruce has been Batman. What's the point of having Tim Drake around if they gave his origin to Dick Grayson? Does the Joker's super sanity give him omniscience or just clairvoyance?
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 1:40am |
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I'm convinced that DC has decided that DiDio's baiting of fans about Stephanie Brown and Wally West and other items looked really fun so now on a massive scale they are baiting certain fans and waiting to see if their heads explode from so much fan rage at the continuity clusterf**k. Clearly they are demented people.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2012 at 10:13pm |
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It is hilarious how DC has intentionally made the Batbooks chronology even more convoluted than it was before the reboot. half of that mess could have been avoided had they not put definitive "1 year ago" and " 6 years ago" markers in those zero issues.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2012 at 9:32pm |
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What's funny to me is that they started off with "Batman was perfect the way it was and very few changes will be made." Fast forward a year and suddenly everything about just about every Robin is different and the years added in make little sense at all for things. It's like they felt that Batman and company were left out of the radical changes so they just decided to change everything they could lol.
Dick gets the Tim "figuring out Batman through reading him" style of thing. Jason is the Robin apparently created by and destroyed by Joker who now seems to have always known who Batman is. Tim Drake is not Tim Drake, Drake is just his witness protection name and he was always Red Robin so as not to be taking Jason's Robin name. Guess in the next year we'll figure out how all this works anymore.
I'm beyond really caring about how off the continuity is now. It's going to keep being off and keep being messed with so no need to be pissed about it really I would say. It's just head shakingly amusing to see that DC has apparently just decided that keeping any sort of semblance of continuity in books is not important any longer. Just tell the story you want other books be damned. (See: Barbara Gordon as Batgirl in Birds of Prey one-year before NU-52's start when she was just becoming Batgirl again at the start of Nu-52.)
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Posted: 27-Sep-2012 at 3:14pm |
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Posted: 21-Aug-2012 at 2:26am |
Anybody reading Batman: Odyssey? http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/08/20/batman-odyssey-neal-adams-review/ How does this expanding hollow Earth tie into Skytaris where Warlord lives?
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Posted: 15-Aug-2012 at 9:25pm |
With the news that Scott Lobdell was taking over for SUPERMAN, I was wondering if he would still be writing RED HOOD or who the artist would be. So I read this today as I was working out today. Just...no words. No words at all. SMH
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