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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 01-Mar-2012 at 5:53pm |
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I'm of the same mind as EphX. I think its less to do with the actual costume and the postures and attitude (and of course artist) that accompany it. Storm originally wore a costume just as revealing. The thing was that her sexual prowess was never apart of what the writers were trying to convey with her (I mean obviously it would come out at certain times...she is a female with wants and needs). Since her transformation into the Asian body, writers have played up that Psylocke has major sex appeal and such. Just look at how Jim Lee drew her in those early X-Men vol.2 comics and how she was written flirting with Cyclops.
This to me is a different Psylocke than the one that is...say appearing in Unc. X-force or even the current Uncanny X-Men arc. She might be wearing a bathing suit but I don't feel like she's playing up sex appeal anymore. At least for me its more than just raw image, its context and the other verbal and posing cues being conveyed.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 7:32am |
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Colossus sketched her naked, she flirted with a teenage boy, and telepathically attempted to lure Havok into the bedchamber long before the Kwannon body swap.
She's been portrayed as sexually adventurous since Claremont put her on the X-Men.
Edited by Kipe - 02-Mar-2012 at 7:33am
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 3:18pm |
I can't disagree more with either of those posts. Storm has constantly been depicted as having a raw, sexual component as part of her character. For the most part she's naked in her first appearance, she has no qualms about revealing herself because she has no cultural compunctions about nudity, she has a deep and passionate relationship with Yukio.
Kipe, I don't find your examples to really be examples of a "sexually adventurous" personality. She allowed Colossus to paint her provided she could keep the portrait which implies modesty to me. I also envision the portrait as being more artful than a generic playboy spread.
Her relationship with Doug is more complex that most boards assume. Doug loved her - and with most mutants who experience life threatening experiences - he was mature enough to appreciate what that meant. She had similar feelings, but they were also tainted because he saved her from servitude and captivity. She didn't pursue a relationship ultimately because of his age - again implying she's not as adventurous as she's made out to be because of her "revealing" costume.
Lastly, I don't recall her seducting Havok telpathically. SHe kissed him as she 'forced' him through the Siege Perilous to save his life, but if I would say anyone influenced Havok to be intimate telepathically, it would be the Goblyn Queen. My understanding was that they didn't like each other and he felt uncomfortable because she had respect for anyone's privacy. But, my knowledge of this era is not as strong as others.
Edited by medium13 - 02-Mar-2012 at 3:27pm
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 3:56pm |
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Storm's having no problem with nudity and such was more a result of her cultural background than viewing sexuality as some type of seductive weapon in the same vain as Gambit or Enchantress. As you put it she had no problem with it...and I don't think that a passionate sexual (or not, since we never were sure if Storm and Yukio were more than friends) relationship means that someone is out and about with their sexual prowess or allure.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 4:19pm |
I'm agreeing with you BC - about Psylocke but not Storm. Psylocke's sexualized image is drawn more from artist depictions and fanboy imagery than her character history.
In opposition, Storm does have a sexual nature to her character for all the reasons listed above and more. Claremont went to pains to show that although Storm was culturally unaware of her sexual power, it existed none the less. Yukio was a tool for Storm to become more self aware of who she was - and I'm not saying that in a sexual way. I don't think they had that kind of relationship. But, it was part of her character and has been part of Storm's growth as a person.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2012 at 6:27pm |
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Hmmm...by artistic depiction do you mean the actual costume or posing and stuff?
I ask because I just always go back to those Jim Lee days and see how Psylocke flirting with Cyclops and I remember it looking far more "intense" because of her posturing and the type of "emotions" Lee was trying to evoke with the art.
I'll just kinda leave it at agree to disagree about the Storm thing because this is about lil ol' Betsy LOL...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2012 at 6:15pm |
Originally posted by sixhoursoflucy
After reading Uncanny X-Force, I no longer hate Psylocke.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2012 at 10:31pm |
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I really enjoyed Psylocke during the Outback era. That's pretty much it. After that, she seems to have become very much a character that writers and readers can assign whatever qualities / personality traits that they feel like in order to make her more or less appealing. Characters without strongly defined personalities have the luxury of doing anything, saying anything, and being anything without consequence. Psylocke is a character that could do much of anything, like Jean Grey, and people would consider it fair and in-character (short of wholesale slaughter and, well, Psylocke's even done that). Anything can be in-character if your character lacks, well, character.
That said, Remender's done a lot to change my opinion of the character within the context of his storyline. Remender's Psylocke (and Gillen's by way of adapting what Remender did) is pretty cool--but mark my words: Psylocke is just going to fall back into the ditch she was in before someone thought she was worth giving an actual personality. It's cyclical for characters like her. She's really awesome when she is handled well (any character is), but she stands with a huge selection of comic book characters from which, if you randomly sampled a storyline involving her, very little legitimate substance can be derived. Much of Psylocke's existence, short of stories about her specifically and the changes she goes through, lend nothing to the story--and she does the same in turn.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2012 at 3:37pm |
Originally posted by InsipidLust
I really enjoyed Psylocke during the Outback era. That's pretty much it. After that, she seems to have become very much a character that writers and readers can assign whatever qualities / personality traits that they feel like in order to make her more or less appealing. Characters without strongly defined personalities have the luxury of doing anything, saying anything, and being anything without consequence. Psylocke is a character that could do much of anything, like Jean Grey, and people would consider it fair and in-character (short of wholesale slaughter and, well, Psylocke's even done that). Anything can be in-character if your character lacks, well, character. |
Agreed on your points - we have Claremont to thank for all of that. Since her creation, Psylocke has been largely written by Claremont who has done exactly what you say here "assign whatever qualities / personality traits that they feel like in order to make her more or less appealing -- the luxury of doing anything, saying anything, and being anything without consequence." I think under other writers, like Remender as you mention, she is a much better character. It's like, who do we really not like... the character or the writer?
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Posted: 27-Jun-2012 at 12:58am |
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I honestly stopped caring for her once she became the Ninja-Psylocke.. I didn't mind the British version that suggested the X-Men kill Havoc and had a bit of manipulative streak. I know I am in the minority there, but I never cared for that change.. I always felt it was unnecesary and they could have gone that route with a new character and/or transform an existing asian character in that fashion.
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