Let's Talk The Jean Grey School

I would actually love to see Chamber at the Avengers Academy. He already loves to teach and neither Aaron nor Gage seem the least bit interested in using him. He's such a powerhouse and interesting character concept if they'd just add a few more layers to his personality.


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I think an interview said that the Utopia kids and the Westchester kids would be in Avengers Academy custody during AvX. I wonder how that will work out and if we'll get to see what some of the kids think about their choices.



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I wonder if there will be some switching around in the Schism after AvX. Initially going into Schism the writers all said that just because somebody picks a side that doesn't mean they'll stay with it.

I hope Anole and Rockslide become Avengers or X-Men with Cyke and totally switch sides on Logan.

reads like if someone chooses to be apart of this, they must wholeheartedly agree with it. That's how I see the Utopia situation. You agree to it because you really believe in it, not because its the lesser of two evils.Of course I could be wrong, and a single piece of dialogue could easily reject that whole idea.

Storm is there to be Scott's conscious. Dazzler said school wasn't her thing. Jubilee didn't want to endanger children by being around them. Colossus doesn't want to endanger children by being a Juggernaut teacher. Doesn't sound like wholehearted agreement with all of the ideals of Utopia.

The New Mutants aren't even wholehearted enough to live on the island.

Edited by Kipe - 28-Feb-2012 at 9:22pm

I'd still like to see a book or limited series that stars the X-Students.  I think something like X-MEN UNLIMITED that has a regular lead feature starring the X-Kids and a second story that is a solo story starring one of the X-Men would be awesome.  Or maybe a "flip book" with the X-Students in the first half and Dazzler and the Utopia Street Team in the other...

@Charles-What? All I did was reply to something said to me, is that wrong now? I was gone while the conversation moved along and I just wanted to address what was directed at me. I even ended it by saying that I think he made a very valid point and that I was torn on whether Logan's plan/idea is a good or bad one. That's it.

@Kipe-I was referring to the kids. That they believe that they have to be there to survive, that being apart of this militant action is the only way. I wasn't saying like they get their jollies off with it or anything LOL

And even as people ask me why am I discussing something they continue to address things at me LOL...

Edited by Blackcyclops - 28-Feb-2012 at 9:50pm

That they believe that they have to be there to survive, that being apart of this militant action is the only way.

You mean they've been indoctrinated with Utopia propaganda. So the ideal of Utopia is fear? Are they there because they believe in the need for a mutant nation or because they believe they will die if they step foot out of California? Which Utopia is the Utopia they believe in?

Edited by Kipe - 28-Feb-2012 at 10:00pm

It you agree, I don't understand your continued debate point. If you concede that they're two crappy choices, then logically, the X-kids picked what they discerned as the "lesser of the two evils". They aren't necessarily drinking the kool aid.

No I agree they are semi-crappy choices(I think Avengers Academy looks pretty cool to be honest), that include just striking out on your own and being a runaway or lower working class person. But I don't think that some people don't really believe in the stances taken by Logan and Cyclops. I actually think more of the kids that remained at Utopia (hence why its so few there) might really believe that taking a proactive stance and fighting for mutant kind under that agenda is correct. Whereas, I think the kids at JGS choose it as the lesser of two evils. My point for some time now has literally been just addressing comments directed at me, like what I'm doing right now with your comment lol

I would have probably chosen the JGS school or Avengers Academy...there is very little normal stuff to do with the Utopia lifestyle. And I continue to question why some of the "bad" mutants still live there, hell Avalanche got a bar.

Originally posted by Blackcyclops No I agree they are semi-crappy choices(I think Avengers Academy looks pretty cool to be honest), that include just striking out on your own and being a runaway or lower working class person. But I don't think that some people don't really believe in the stances taken by Logan and Cyclops. I actually think more of the kids that remained at Utopia (hence why its so few there) might really believe that taking a proactive stance and fighting for mutant kind under that agenda is correct. Whereas, I think the kids at JGS choose it as the lesser of two evils. My point for some time now has literally been just addressing comments directed at me, like what I'm doing right now with your comment lol I would have probably chosen the JGS school or Avengers Academy...there is very little normal stuff to do with the Utopia lifestyle. And I continue to question why some of the "bad" mutants still live there, hell Avalanche got a bar.

I'm not sure if they say it that way....At least with the whole "We're fighting for mutant kind"....I think many of the kids on Utopia just see it as their lot in life, as it's kind of what's been drilled into them for so long. "Survival"..and given that many also lost a bunch of their kids the last time they were at school...I see just as many choosing "lesser of two evils" in concern to Utopia too...

Not saying all of them...I mean Pixie wants to be an X-Men....The Cuckoos as Kipe said, pretty much live the life....

Utopia could be the lesser of two evils in that all of the Utopia kids have had Logan as an instructor before and some see Cyclops' relatively well-oiled machine as the lesser evil than Logan's bumbling school experiment.

Originally posted by Kipe So if you were a mutant child/teenager which side would you choose?

Because I'm always a stickler for an interesting story, my top choices would be:

1) Leave the planet and join another team.  It always works for Havok when he needs some spotlight.

2) Go insane and take out all the X-kids.  To "save" them from the miserable existence that they have in store.  No future that can be shown for them shows a positive outcome, so I'm sparing them the horrors of experiencing The End and really, if they're going to die, wouldn't it be better as a mercy-killing from within the family?

3) Convince other mutants to join me in a suicide pact and do it in public, because screw Wolverine, screw Cyclops, and screw this whole damned thing.

4) Go with Nanny and Orphan-Maker.  Granted, they're not really a "good" choice, but has any mutant child died while under their care?  They have a better track record than the "heroes" we're supposed to be putting our faith in.

5) Reboot -- possibly through judicious yet flagrant  use of continuity punching.

6) I'm black, male, and an X-kid... I'm surprised anybody even knows who I am, let alone cares what choice I make.


Edited by Ciel - 29-Feb-2012 at 3:13am

Originally posted by Anna Raven Option 7 - hope I'm cute enough to join the Future Foundation.

There are cute mutants in the Future Foundation who aren't blood related to Richards?

Well, before I answer Kipe's question, I'm gonna back-tracked for a bit.

I actually agree with BC, in that the kids that choose to stay in Utopia, more so than the JGS kids, seem to really know what they signed up for and really believe in Cyclops' view. I think Prodigy and Surge made a convincing argument about why they believe in Cyclops. Pixie and the Cuckoos are very loyal to Cyclops, so I would say they believe in him to. Hope, even with her paternal conflict towards Cyclops, definitely agrees with his paramilitary way. The only one I'm not sure about is Dust, I still don't understand why she chooses Utopia. I guess the ones that really don't have any choice are the Gen Hope kids (because of their attachment to Hope, unless Hope releases them a la Idie) and Krosta (because of his attachment to Atlantis).

I even consider the NM to really believe in Cyclops view. Dani has stated outright that her loyalty is with Cyclops and she believes him. Nate also said that not only Scott is his father, but he also thinks that school and childhood is a privilege that they can't afford. I can't speak for the rest of the NM though, because (1) I don't speak binary; and (2) Bobby and Amara have no free will or any personalities to even make their own decisions.

So, as far as the kids (or young X-men), I think they are more committed to Cyclops than most of the adult X-men. Thus, I don't think that they are being short-changed, for that matter.

The JGS kids, however, I can see your point that they are only choosing the lesser of the two evils in their mind. They don't agree with Cyclops view, so the only way out for them is the school. Whether or not they found that the school is what they really wanted, I can't say. I can't believe someone like Hellion, Anole and Rockslide are happy with being locked up every time the school is under attack, but that's just me.

Now, if I'm an X-kid, I would probably choose to stay in Utopia. The reasons (1) If I found out that I have super powers I would definitely want to be a superhero; (2) Cyclops has proven time and time again that he managed to steer the remaining mutants out of extinction, so I would put my bet on him; (3) the most important thing, I will learn how to survive, and fight as an X-men in the fabulous Dazzler-led X-street team; (4) I get to roam around SF from time to time, instead of being locked-in in another dimension while the school is being attacked (which, if I may point out, happened in every issue of WATX. Utopia is a much safer place to live at the moment, you can ask Dragoness).



Edited by Leo - 29-Feb-2012 at 3:46am

They are adorable even if they aren't mutants!