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    Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 10:48pm
I think this is the most appropriate areas....

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/121/1219474p1.html

IGN made a list of the most iconic X-Men lineups over the course of it's 50 years. Nice to see X-factor Investigations is included.


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  Quote das_boot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 11:42pm
I actually wouldn't have put the blue/gold team on there, but would have replaced it with New Mutants. To fans of the comics, it's much more of an iconic team, IMHO.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 11:56pm
You really think so?

I'd say you could add it...but I don't think you could replace the Blue and Gold team as having a bigger impact in the grander scheme of the world than probably any other incarnation of X-Men. The lineup (which is not my personal favorite, so this is not a bias thing) was featured on the cartoon (which drew in a large number of the current reader base) and factored into every video game, costume, and film, in some way or another.

And then there is the shift the entire books went through at that time. You really count the X-Men in 3 large paradigms. The original, the Giant Size shift, and that which occurred with X-Men #1 (introduction of Blue/Gold teams). And I would argue Morrison's is shift #4 and we may be hitting the climax/end of that.

So yeah I think New Mutants should be included but I'm not sure it should be taken off.
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  Quote Spectral Knight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 8:57am
I wouldn't put the New Mutants in there at all. I've never felt for that roster at all, and was a massive backwards step reuniting them, and while individual characters have been interesting outside of the book (Sam in particular), I have much more feeling for the X-Force squad, despite the now common hatred of Liefeld.

Also, don't get the depth of feeling for Magneto's squad. Again, like the individual members, not a fan of the collective.
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  Quote History of Paper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 8:59am
They forgot to add Psylocke to the third team. Shocking.

I never cared about NM, so I probably wouldn't have added them. This list feels quite right to me.

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  Quote das_boot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 10:48am
Originally posted by Blackcyclops

You really think so?


Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have said it :P.

See, I disagree with the gold/blue split being such a big deal. Most of the time it just ended up being whoemever would be most useful on a mission going along. I genuinely don''t believe that there really was a big important roster split.

The initial line-ups were this:
BLUE: Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Jubilee.
GOLD: Storm, Jean, Archangel, Banshee, Forge, Colossus, Iceman, Bishop.

Take into account the big storylines that occurred during that period-- (Banshee leaves pretty much straight after going to Avalon with the X-Men and turns up every now and again), Executioner's song (free-for-all, Colossus leaves once his sister is killed, Forge leaves after believing Storm wouldn't marry him), Fatal Attractions (Wolverine loses his adamantium, strike team consists of a combination of Blue and Gold team members), Phalanx Covenant (Jubilee and Banshee leave to join Gen-X, during the event Wolverine, Cable, Jean and Scott working together, X-Factor, X-Force and Excalibur mash-ups), Legion Quest (Jean, Psylocke, Storm, Iceman, Bishop), AOA and the aftermath (Gambit in a coma, Rogue and Bobby on the road, Cannonball joining the X-Men but never assigned to either the Blue or Gold team, O5 taking on Sabretooth, Psylocke gutted and Wolverine and Archangel working to save her and almost immediately afterwards, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and Callisto fight Gene Nation in the sewers, Wolverine, Beast, Archangel, Storm and Cannonball fight Gene Nation, Psylocke and Archangel leave, Beast working more fervently on the Legacy Virus to be replaced by Dark Beast and no one even noticed)-- So, in the lead-up to Onslaught, the Blue and Gold rosters looked like this:

BLUE: Cyclops, Wolverine, Dark Beast, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Jubilee.
GOLD: Storm, Jean, Archangel, Banshee, Forge, Colossus, Iceman, Bishop.
UNASSIGNED: Cannonball.

At this point, I think it's fairly safe to say that neither strike-force was particularly well-manned, or at least not to the point of the original premise where two strike teams were needed. If anything, I think these were better examples of rotating casts than Fraction ever managed on his run on UXM.

The line up BETWEEN the two teams is fairly iconic, however, the argument that there was a regimented blue/gold split and that the twain seldom if ever met is massively flawed.





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  Quote EphemeristX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 10:51am
Blue/Gold team is very iconic. I mean, I love the New Mutants, but I never thought of them as 'iconic'. Not like Jim Lee's Blue Team (and the Gold Team, but mostly by association).
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 2:58pm
Well I think the B/G Era is significant because of its impact. It literally marked a paradigm shift in the X-books and was apart of a new era of comics in general. I mean I just can't see how its not iconic.


And I'd say that the Blue/Gold era of team roster ended at Legion Quest, which saw reshuffling of the deck. At that point you got people changing the books they were in and characters adding to the X-Men. So that's from X-Men #1 until #40. I'd say they were perfectly distinct but you did have more characters appearing in one book than another. Plus the books were in crossover mode so there was definite bleed through quite a bit for those.

And of course it was a more successful rotating cast they had two whole books to do it with LOL


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  Quote Kipe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 7:09pm
The splitting of the teams itself may not have been that huge, but the Era that the Blue/Gold represents was a huge tonal shift:



Xavier becomes leader again.

Magneto becomes an enemy again.

The original and Giant-sized teams are reunited.

Storm AND Cyclops lead the X-Men.

New Mutants ends and turns into X-Force. Our favourite X-students gone awry (and also the only student team to ever break out on their own from the X-Men even temporarily).

Cable shifts the narrative of the struggle for mutants and is revealed as the returned son of Scott and Maddie.

Rachel leaves the timestream to become the Askani, save Cable, and bring Scott and Jean into the future.


Jean and Scott get married.

The introduction of the Legacy Virus.

Illyana dies.

Colossus joins Magneto.

Exodus is introduced.

Omega Red is introduced.


The Acolytes and Fabian Cortez are introduced.

Mystique pretends to be insane and makes her first "attempt" at reforming.

Emma reforms and opens the school for Generation X.

Sabretooth is imprisoned at the mansion.

Bishop shows up and starts the X-Traitor storyline.

Wolverine gets his audimantium ripped out.

Magento get's brain wiped/raped.

The new X-Factor is formed. Sinister is brought back.

A mutant is beat to death trying to reach the X-Men.



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This is an EPIC, ICONIC era. I don't know how or why it should be excluded from the list in favor of New Mutants (whose shift into X-Force would be included in this Era)

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2012 at 4:32am
It was also portrayed  simultaneously on the X-Men cartoon.
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