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The Dark Gambit Saga?
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    Posted: 11-Mar-2012 at 4:18pm
In X-Men Legacy 229-230, Gambit was shown battling and shifting back to his death persona. In Uncanny X-Force #15, Ozymandias mentions to Archangel that they planted a number of death seeds and he was glad that Archangel was the one that had rippened. Was Gambit actually turning into the new Apocalypse at this time and was only saved by Archangel submitting first?

If so where does that leave Gambit now that Archangel is "dead"? Or the other former death's like Wolverine and Psylocke? What about other former horsemen like Polaris, Hulk, Deathbird, Ahab, Sunfire, and Abraham Lincoln Kieros are they also at risk? Are they protected by Genesis's mere existence? Or does a living blood heir for Archangel or the previous Apocalypse protect other's from transforming into a new "Apocalypse"?
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Posts: 357 		  Quote kanderson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Mar-2012 at 8:07pm
I believe that all the other seeds were wiped out "currently". And I guess the same for Remy.

As a story beat, even if the seed has been wiped from Gambit, something might have taken Root, I don't think that we have seen the last of the death personality whether or not it is even connected to The big A anymore

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Posts: 209 		  Quote xx mistah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2012 at 12:47am
I was thinking something similar during the Dark Angel Saga. Though to me a Dark Gambit is a lot less compelling than Archangel taking the mantle of Apocalypse.

Maybe the subsiding of the death persona in Gambit and the ability of the other Death characters' ability to "become Apocalypse" is hindered by the presence of the "final horseman" as well? Also isn't Famine currently pregnant with the true heir, which comes from Warren's blood as opposed to directly from En Sabah Nur. If that's true, then we wouldn't have to worry about all the other previous Deaths.
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Posts: 357 		  Quote kanderson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2012 at 2:07am

good point, xx mistah.  Famine is currently pregnant, that should be very interesting and hopefully will be a storyline that will be continued in Uncanny X-Force.  still can't get over how truly awesome that whole saga is.  picking it up TPB as soon as it is released.

with Gambit, there have been a lot of story threads which I am not sure having really been dealt with or just ignored.  there was the whole Trial of Gambit which was kind of dealt with still left a lot open to work with, then he was blind for a period of time, then he had some weird greenish gassy entity that was living in him?  not sure if that was dealt with, who were his real parents, (Chris Claremont tried to explain this but it is not cannon) and of course the death seed.  as a Gambit fan, (and I admit I did not read his solo adventures when they came out, but he still remains a favorite), I would like to see some STEADY development.  and also would like to have a final understanding as to whether or not the death seed is still kind-of in him? Arrrgh

with Gambit, stay with one idea and roll with it just for a while and don't give us the whole, "he's just a wild card" line as a way not to deal with what a writer has opened up!
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The green mist thing was resolved in his series im almost certain of.

If some type of Apoccy seed wakes up in any other charavter (which i dont want to actually see, since we literally just seen that story) then it should be handled a complete 180 from Archangel's. Gambit's has potential only because it affects him differently and even seems to not show any loyalty to Apoccy and his dream. Because i dont want a Dark "insert Othet Horsemen here". It would lame this soon after such a prolific story.
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The green mist woman residing inside him since his Savage Land trial was resolved in Gambit Annual #1.
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He has been such a good southern host!!
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I'm not 100% but i dont think the other Deaths (other than Angel) were planted with a Celestial Seed. That made Angel unique to the Deaths and that is what germinated in him to become the next Apoc.
Wolverine (in Wolverine goes to Hell) was shown to still have Death persona in his head (what ever level that may be). So with Gambit it's been more recent and didnt have much chance to perge the persona.
As for Psyloch we shouldnt really be seeing a lasting effect as Pheonix (AoA) burned it out.
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Or did she? :D
 
Along the same lines of thought.... Lorna is apparently at least partially still Pestilence.  It'd be cool if that got revisited.

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I wonder if Remender is talking about Gambit finding out about X-Force.
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Originally posted by Caenman

I'm not 100% but i dont think the other Deaths (other than Angel) were planted with a Celestial Seed. That made Angel unique to the Deaths and that is what germinated in him to become the next Apoc.
 
Ozymandias did say to Archangel, "Of all the deaths we planted, I am pleased it was you who rose."  So I'd assume according to Remender all the Death's and only the Death's were implanted with death seeds.  So Archangel, Caliban, Wolverine, Gambit, and Sanjar. 
 
Then what made Archangel's seed bloom was that X-Force, kept allowing the Archangel persona to take control of Warren and kill people, each death making him stronger till he dominated Warren.
 
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Psylocke turned out to be carrying Archangel's child either, one would assume they slept together regularly, and then post Dark-Angel saga, she has Angel carry to her to a mesa, and expressly states they made love there last week, so less than 7 days ago, Archangel was probably already in control.
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I would be surprised that Betsy doesn't utilize birth control.
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I'm fairly certain super sperm is just one of the perks of being Apocalypse's heir...
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Originally posted by hotknives

I'm fairly certain super sperm is just one of the perks of being Apocalypse's heir...
:D I suspect that you're right. :D

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It's reavealed tht WWIII has been skimming off the top of his company's gross income for years  to cover all the alimony he owes.
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Posts: 555 		  Quote Blanchett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 7:07pm
I thought it was interesting that every incarnation had a woman that could have produced Apocalypse an heir. Makes you wonder if he slept with Polaris and Deathbird. How scary would the offspring of Polaris and Apocalyps have been?


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