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Peter Luzifer
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 9:23pm |
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I like everything but the sash. Keep everything but use the other's sash design and that would work. This sash looks like a tail no offense lol |
You are right, it looks a lot better with a significantly shortened sash: I'm no artist, so I hope it's clear that the "sash" is actually some left-over fabric from the red jacket with yellow trim that's being pulled together by the star-shaped sash-clip. Using the horizontal sash from the original design didn't work for me at all, as it would disrupt the three color lightning image effect.
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 9:19pm |
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Being covered head-to-toe is kind of unusual for a super-heroine... and MUCH has been made of this.
Ironically, when she switched to the lightning bolt costume, Carol actually made a comment about how much she liked the lack of sleeves as it gave her more freedom of movement.
I wonder if Marvel is following the online reactions to this look and the artwork revealed and will respond in any way? |
Well, Wonder Woman had pants in Jim Lee's original redesign for the New 52 and then fans reacted so vehemently that they removed the pants. So...
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 8:54pm |
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I like everything but the sash. Keep everything but use the other's sash design and that would work. This sash looks like a tail no offense lol
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 8:37pm |
Here's another re-design. It's what I was talking about earlier with the lightning motive and the red color being on one side of it and the blue on another.
Basically, I envision this to be two costumes in one. The same design, but everything in blue and yellow with a low-cut collar and no sash is the basic, "inofficial" costume, but mostly Carol will wear the red part as a half-jacket on top of the costume with the more militaristic collar and the sash. The jacket connects to the rest of the outfit at the lightning trim.
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 7:27pm |
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I hope they don't really. At least not in some out-landish way. There is some positive reaction to as well.
I'm just happy that a female-lead book is coming out with a heroine that doesn't have to wear the Psylocke-number LOL
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 7:25pm |
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Being covered head-to-toe is kind of unusual for a super-heroine... and MUCH has been made of this.
Ironically, when she switched to the lightning bolt costume, Carol actually made a comment about how much she liked the lack of sleeves as it gave her more freedom of movement.
I wonder if Marvel is following the online reactions to this look and the artwork revealed and will respond in any way?
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 6:59pm |
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I love the comment "too masculine"...gotta love gender norms LOL
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 6:51pm |
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I like McKelvie but he's just wrong on this. I understand the reasoning behind the elements used, but the finished article is eugh.
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Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 4:48pm |
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 6:44pm |
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Also just throwing it out there but it's a very movie friendly costume don't you think?
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I'd just like to make sure BC gets his props for this:
| Another thought is that thos costume would be easier to transition to film versus her previous one lol |
All the way back on page two.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 6:00pm |
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Also just throwing it out there but it's a very movie friendly costume don't you think? |
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 7:28am |
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Getting away from the sexualisation argument, I think it would have been perfectly possible to have Carol in a Captain Marvel get-up which better fitted her previous outfits. Look at the full length bottoms Warbird costume, looked awesome but was a natural development of her classic get up. I just find this new one a massive departure from what we have seen from Carol in the past. Plus its fugly
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 7:17am |
Sorry didn't read that far back.
Originally posted by Blackcyclops
I'm pretty sure every superhero would be in shape with some type of six or four pack. I mean they train heavily to stay in shape and to maintain strength as high as it can get... |
I think it depends on the hero, it's more obviously with say DC's charaters, I'm of the oppinion Batman should always be the buffest member of the Justice league, people like Superman and Martian Manhunter are strong because of their unique physiology not muscle, Green Lantern and Flash get their power from external forces the Power ring and Speed force respectively. But Batman has to work for it.
Likewise while say Cyclops makes sense, as he's a competent martial artist, people like Pym, Richards, Stark or non-hulk Banner shouldn't be ridiculously buff, as they rely on powers or technology. They probably keep fit, but they're not drinking as many protein shakes as Hawkeye.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 6:34am |
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I think BC already said that. And I agree.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 6:34am |
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I'm pretty sure every superhero would be in shape with some type of six or four pack. I mean they train heavily to stay in shape and to maintain strength as high as it can get...
But about Captain Marvel...
I wonder what foes she'll face. I hope no Brood no time soon LOL
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 6:30am |
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I've always hated how some male heroes without related strength powers are often pretty buff. Like Hank Pym always has a sixpack, I don't think he'd be fat or anything, but I think he'd be more wiry and lithe, the sort of guy who rides bikes or something, rather than a weights machine. His strength comes from pym particles, not training.
Also just throwing it out there but it's a very movie friendly costume don't you think?
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 5:48am |
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Carol should dress up like Obnoxio the Clown. That would show everyone.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 5:43am |
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Yeah... did you see what Titania looked like when drawn by the late Michael Turner? If it was a new char it'd have been great. But, she looked like a supermodel with slightly bulky arms. Michael Turner was a great artist but like many he tended to draw all female characters to look like supermodels.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 2:34am |
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Ideally those characters do have different body types, but there are plenty of artists that only use their default superheroine & default superhero bodies under the guise of artistic license. Sometimes it's editorially mandated that they don't want women looking too Rubenesque or muscular.
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I disagree about the body types.
Carol Danvers, She-Hulk, Kitty Pryde, Storm, Psylocke, and Misty Knight all have body types that are different than the others.
Carol has always been portrayed as a bit thicker than other females.
Nearly every male hero has a six-to-twelve pack of abs. You could also make the case for there not being that much variation on male costumes by listing genres of garment like you did with women.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 1:57am |
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I think the objectification problem is partly one of variety. Basically, 99% of female heroes have the exact same body type with outfits that are basically lingerie (boob windows, thigh highs, heels, thong bathing suits, etc) while the men are mostly covered from head to toe and come in many sizes - and can sometimes be downright hideous looking and also a hero. Pointing out a few counter examples doesn't change the problem - which is that anyone who thinks Carol's military look is too butch is basically saying that one butch heroine is one too many. Carol Danvers deserves the opportunity to dress however she wants and still be an interesting character to read about. She's more than just an outfit.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 1:57am |
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To me it's not that showing skin lessens anything and I don't want women to be sexless or anything like that, but there doesn't need to be every costume having barely there thongs or giant cleavage holes. Some yes, for Emma it fits her personality. Some others too, but not every woman no matter how fit feels the need to let it all show all the time like they seem to want to do for female comic characters most of the time. My main thing with the costume decrying is that a lot of people I've seen around the net are pissed that they are taking away the thong basically. They don't have well thought out arguements about why the old costume is better like some here do. They just want their butt shots much like a lot that want the boob window back for Power Girl.
She definitely needs a rogue gallery and not rely on Rogue or Mystique again. They went there last series, let it rest for some time.
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I read De Connick mentioning Mystique on an interview, and how she is originally a Carol enemy, but she didnt stated she would be appearing.
And lastly about the costumes, i have no issue with them if they make sense to the charachter, if say, someone like Punisher, Nick Fury or Black Widow start going shirtless when they get shot every other hour, and they are not invulnerable, ill be concerned about how practical that costume is.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 1:42am |
| I apologize for derailing the thread talking about objectification when you brought up Namor, it just reminded me of that article i read and i brought it up, i shoudlnt have since its a whole different discussion. |
Well, I was off-topic as well by linking to an article that had nothing to do with Ms. Marvel. I think I misunderstood your intention with bringing it up.
| I myself prefer Namor in his full body costume as to me it is more befitting of someone as regal as him, it is a bit lessening for him to be running around in a speedo while the rest of Atlantis has clothes on yet their King thinks he's Tarzan of the jungle. |
Namor doesn't have the same physiological attributes as his people. His body is more human than Atlantean and not as naturally hydro-dynamic (?) as his people. If he were king of African tribe would his costume seem to make him less regal? After all, Storm's a queen and wears a unitard and cape.
I just don't see how showing skin lessens anything, or why people seem to want powerful women in comics to be sexless or deny their gender expression.
I hope Captain Marvel does something very "slutty" in the very first arc now.
Does anybody have any ideas who the villains in this book might be? If they want to build her up, she needs a better rogue's gallery that doesn't include Rogue.
Edited by Kipe - 20-Mar-2012 at 1:44am
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