The return of... X-TREME X-MEN

Originally posted by marhawkman And every issue of the book will introduce new incarnations of big X-Men — and explore them in ways that we hope will blow your mind and see the characters you love in entirely new ways. Very interesting. :)  makes me want to see this. :D

I think that the Multiverse has a TON of potential left in it to explore - especially when you consider that Astonishing has introduced some interesting ideas as of late as well as the leftover plots/threats from Exiles. I hope that Pak isn't afraid to play with some of these other ideas as he moves forward.

I haven't finished reading the arc of Astonishing that this applies to, but I like the focus on Dazzler, I like the idea of a big threat coming - and since it's from the Multiverse it could be ANYTHING - and it's Greg Pak, so I should enjoy it. I'm down.

As Gremlin pointed out I'm quite sure this is Marvel trying to give something like Exiles another shot, but the last Exiles book, and New Exiles before it, didn't sell well at all. While the New Exiles one was cause of Claremont dislike from all over, the second volume of Exiles just din't catch on with people.

As we've mentioned before with slapping Avengers or an X on something, it sells. Maybe not a huge amount but more so than a concept coming out of left field to stand on it's own. They're testing the waters to see if people still want books with stories told from other universes and I'm guessing the Astonishing story sold well enough to warrant this.

Dazzler doesn't seem to be popular with the current book writers, so to shoehorn in a Dazzler arc probably wouldn't have been well received if done by writers that don't want to use her. Since no on has even had a compunction to show she is around since the Regenesis one-shot and brief mentions in Uncanny #1. And I'd rather see Liu's story in Astonishing then see that book become the alternate reality one.

Also you can see why Marvel wouldn't do that. They want Astonishing to keep going. If this becomes a failed experiment it's easier to sweep another X-Treme X-Men book under the rug and forget about it then to mess up the Astonishing book they want to hold onto.

It's hard to fathom in some cases, but there are times that I think we fans are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that right now Marvel is all in for making all books be part of one of the big selling lines. Everything will be related to X-Men or Avengers or FF or the street line. With so me branching out with them saying Cosmic is coming back in a big way soon. While DC is branching out and trying things from all areas, Marvel is focusing on what sells and sadly that is going to mean more Avengers and X-Men tagged books over time. To the point of probably too many, but we can either accept it and check out the books or not check them out, or we can be upset about it. I'm gonna pick the easier path of just accepting it and either reading or not reading as I'm getting too old for fanboy anger lol.

You know, Dazzler has such a rich history that..I hate to see her shoehorned into a title like that.

She has a history with Longshot, and with what PAD is building between Longshot and Star; that could build her up even more. There's the thing with her immortality which seemed to be linked to her powers. There's the mojo-verse babies and Mojo..there's alot of stories, if she were part of the active X-Men, could be told.

Not to mention, with the X-Men supposedly tying up loose ends..and going after potential threats..

But I'm hoping it'll be more like eXiles and don't have a standard cast; and will be unpredictable like the beginning of eXiles were.

As I read about Dazzler joining a multiverse team, I suppose that means that the whole Street Team Of Mutants We Never Saw Doing Anything Because Nobody Wanted To Write Them will be disbanded thanks to their squad leader being sent away and AvX taking center stage with the likelihood of returning all of the X-Men to full villain status in the eyes of the rest of the world's population?

When they're canceling stuff that's in the background?  Dang.  That's harsh.

Originally posted by Blackcyclops What cancelling though? Only book that has been stated to be cancelled is Generation Hope. Which isn't in the background and is controversial at best. And until otherwise stated WatX seems to still be around post-AvX, unless Aaron announces its being cancelled or he's leaving.

You know that last part was mainly a joke.  The sentences that came before were the context to set it up.  Still, you seem to misunderstand what I was talking about.

Remember how in the post-Schism report Cyclops went to Dazzler and asked her to lead a street team of kids and less-experienced adult mutants to make them more visible?

And then remember how we hardly saw any of that happen?

That's what I'm asking about -- did that ever happen?  Is Dazzler going away for a while and can't fulfill that responsibility?  If so, is somebody else supposed to be doing that, because yes it was definitely in the background and only to be assumed because there was no actual book dedicated to it.  If Dazzler's still around, then can she walk and chew gum at the same time, so to speak?

That's something that I wonder about -- while yes, Dazzler isn't in the core cast of any books right now that does make her "free" from a cast-assignment standpoint.  But the company bothered showing us a scene in which Cyclops himself bothered to ask her to lunch (something he never does) to assign her this task of making another team viable.  What about that?

Ho-hum. 

I like Dazzler but nothing about the characters in Pak's Astonishing run appealed to me in the least bit.  Another version of Logan and Emma?!  I get plenty of those two elsewhere.  Kid Kurt??  With AoA Nightcrawler, the Bamfs and now this kid... we're seeing more of Nightcrawler now that he's dead than we did before.

Had they just called this EXILES and not based it on Pak's MEH Astonishing story, I'd have been stoked.  I'm disappointed because I had hoped X-TREME might feature a group of X-Characters I was hoping to see more of.  This ain't it.  My reaction to this is akin to my feelings about GENERATION HOPE.  Brand new characters getting a spotlight when there are so many other existing characters I was hoping would finally get the attention they deserve in this new X-Book.

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Originally posted by Peter Luzifer - the timing. This books gets released halfway through the big year event, but apparently has no ties to it. As if people's budgets for comics weren't already spread too thin..... they launch a book that "doesn't count" (as it's about alternate reality characters) right when they are still hoping to find a similarly themed book (AoA) to establish itself on the market. Is Marvel wanting this book to fail, or what?

We'll see.  If Marvel is still promoting the book by May, then they might actually care about it.

Well some people, not I LOL, have been clamoring for an Exiles style book for some time now. So its not too far from what people want, just not what everyone wants lol.


I actually wonder what other characters will pop up along the way though.

Edit:
Marvel should have learned from Alpha Flight. Rhey should have announced this as a mini and just never tell anyone its ongoing. Because Alpha Flight sold great but as soon as it was called an ongoing people stop buying lol

Edited by Blackcyclops - 19-Mar-2012 at 12:11am

Originally posted by Ciel When they're canceling stuff that's in the background?  Dang.  That's harsh.

I lol'd when I read this. So true...

Originally posted by Daytripper Why can't Marvel give us what we want instead of what they think we need?

What did we want again?

Edited by Majestic - 19-Mar-2012 at 3:37am

Yeah, there's no telling what ideas they'll toss in next.  Maybe a world where the X-Men are the world's greatest Supervillains and the only group that has the power and courage to oppose them is Exodus and his Acolytes?