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    Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 4:49pm
I've a couple of "scientific"questions surrounding magnetic powers.

During the Age of Apocalypse, Rogue absorbed the powers of Polaris and was able to use them to enhance her strenght. Is this the first time a mutant with the power of magnetism was able to do this? Should someone who controls magnetism be able to do this or was it totally illogical?

Now that it's been confirmed that Polaris' X-Gene has been re-established does that mean that her Pestilence abilities could actually be a secondary mutation or an already unknown quirk to her existing one? It was mentioned that Magneto's nervous system is affected by his powers. Is there any science to suggest that magnetic energies could actually enhance the immune system to stave off illness? Or even retard the aging process?

In Uncanny X-Men #146, Polaris displayed the ability to "see" the world in waves of electrical and magnetic energy. Has Magneto ever displayed this ability or is it unique to Polaris?




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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 4:57pm
Magneto constantly displays superhuman strength...His MPD actually lays it out as well.

Yes i dont have the issue but Mags can perceive the world in the same way.
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  Quote Monolith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 6:30pm
@Blanchett: Rogue was using her magnetic powers essentially like Superboy's tactile telekinesis -- she generated magnetic fields around objects while holding them to levitate and therefore "lift" them, and added repulsive magnetic force to her blows to simulate superhuman strength punches. Yes, it was basically just a cheat to make her still act like Rogue Classic without any Ms. Marvel for her to have touched in the AoA.
 
The Pestilence power was presumably something brand new grafted onto Polaris's genes by Apocalypse. However, whether he restored her original X-gene and added something X-tra or gave her an entirely different X-gene that contained both magnetic and viral powers is unclear.
 
Generally speaking, magnetic forces are known to retard the immune system and have devastating long term effects on the nervous system. The build up of electromagnetic fields around the human body can inhibit its functioning. In comics, Tony Stark once had to give up being Iron Man because the electromagnetic fields generated by his suit were damaging his cellular structure and depleting his natural healing and recovery.
 
I can't recall Magneto visually perceiving electromagnetic fields in the past, but that certainly doesn't mean he can't. He CAN automatically sense shift in the electromagnetic field from a distance as a form of extra-sensory perception, not an extension of his vision. Magneto once remarked that Asteroid M has no alarm system because he can naturally sense when intruders breach the outer walls by tearing open the metal barriers.
 
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  Quote Blanchett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 7:01pm
@Blanchett: Rogue was using her magnetic powers essentially like Superboy's tactile telekinesis -- she generated magnetic fields around objects while holding them to levitate and therefore "lift" them, and added repulsive magnetic force to her blows to simulate superhuman strength punches. Yes, it was basically just a cheat to make her still act like Rogue Classic without any Ms. Marvel for her to have touched in the AoA.

Yeah that's what I thought I was just curious if her powers could function that way. Thanks for the answers.
 
The Pestilence power was presumably something brand new grafted onto Polaris's genes by Apocalypse. However, whether he restored her original X-gene and added something X-tra or gave her an entirely different X-gene that contained both magnetic and viral powers is unclear.

I was under the impression that the X-Gene is hidden and/or deactivated rather than gone based on the effects of the Terrigen Mists on former mutants? However that seems to contradict what Apocalypse said to Polaris...
 
Generally speaking, magnetic forces are known to retard the immune system and have devastating long term effects on the nervous system. The build up of electromagnetic fields around the human body can inhibit its functioning. In comics, Tony Stark once had to give up being Iron Man because the electromagnetic fields generated by his suit were damaging his cellular structure and depleting his natural healing and recovery.

So unless there's a built in defense against the use of their powers than the effects should be detrimental to recovery healing. That's interesting.
 
I can't recall Magneto visually perceiving electromagnetic fields in the past, but that certainly doesn't mean he can't. He CAN automatically sense shift in the electromagnetic field from a distance as a form of extra-sensory perception, not an extension of his vision. Magneto once remarked that Asteroid M has no alarm system because he can naturally sense when intruders breach the outer walls by tearing open the metal barriers.

So in theory this is an actual difference between their mutations? Or more likely that Magneto's esp is a further developed version of Lorna's "sight"?
 
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  Quote Kipe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 7:33pm
Magento "perceived" Proteus' energy lattice, claiming he was able to do so because of its similarity to electromagnetic frequencies. He said it was close enough for him to "recognize" and adapt. I don't know if he "felt" or "saw" it.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 8:03pm
@Monolith- Magneto has used his powers to simulate super-strength right? LIke to enhance the force of his blows.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 8:17pm
In several comics, it's been said that Magneto and Polaris are both somewhat mentally unstable due to how their magnetic powers upset the electrochemical balance in their brains.
 
However.... Pestilence-Lorna has not to my knowledge displayed that sort of erratic behaviour.
 
And, especially in Magneto's case, his powers seem to actually SPEED his healing rather than inhibiting it.  But that's probably because his powers are not strictly mental, his entire body acts as a conduit of magnetic energy.


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  Quote jmc247 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 2:13am
Yes, its been stated on pannel that Magneto has a superior immune system and metabolism.
 
 
He also somehow uses his powers to jack up his durability without shields and his strength.
 
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  Quote Monolith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 3:22am
That first panel is from a story where all mutants lost their powers, and it was repeatedly stated that ALL mutants normally possess a superior immune system and metabolism.
 
As for the second, I don't think an instance where the master of magnetism is being struck with a big metal object is the best way to confirm Magneto can increase his durability in general. His shields don't have to be visible to be up -- in the previous issue, Colossus also struck Magneto, but Mags laughed off the blow because of his "shields", despite there being no obvious visible aura.
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  Quote J-style Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 10:32am
I have read a bunch of pds saying that Magneto can add his magnetism to increase his physical strenth to level 100. Marveldirectory for example. I have never really seen it though...
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  Quote Blanchett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 4:40pm
I read that he could do it in a handbook for a role playing game but never in a comic. Presumably if Rogue can do it, he can do it too. Still I find it odd that only Rogue has displayed this ability and not Polaris and Magneto. Maybe it's just like Jean and Psylocke, both having the same telepathic abilities just choosing different ways to focus them, but the results essentially being the same. 
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  Quote Caenman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 7:30am
Magnets are a comon tool used in psudo-science medical therapy. Following this it seems ok for us to believe Magneto and Polaris can "boost" their health systems. Furthermore, they (particularly Magneto) are naturally in relationship with the magnetic fields and therefore we could assume their cellular structure would be able to function properly in those constant fields where flatscans like Stark could not.
 
At least in the 90's cartoon (some would say the old universe) Magneto could boost the mental abilities of others as it's all electro magnetic. This would stand to reason why he also has such good natural mental sheilds.
 
Question- Did Apoc restor mutant powers to Polaris? I was of the understanding that her abilities were restored through implants???
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 7:45am
Magneto has at least once used his magnetic powers to assist Xavier in some sort of "psychic surgery" which was done to keep Karima's mind from getting overwritten by the sentinel tech inside her.
 
And yeah, which Pestilence-Lorna appeared to be a cyborg powered by celestial tech, after she went into space and got scanned by a Shi'ar doctor the shiar guy concluded that she had indeed regained her mutant powers.

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  Quote Blanchett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2012 at 7:37pm
From what I remember a Shi'ar doctor referred to her as the "earther mutant". In Legacy it was made clear she specifically had her X-Gene restored.
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  Quote Blanchett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2012 at 10:30pm
Another question.

Magneto was able tap into Polaris' power and use her power like it was his power. What I'm curious about is if their bodies process the same energy, if one put up a forcefield could the other just walk through?
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2012 at 11:33pm
IIRC, Polaris had to let Magneto borrow her power.  So... in the case of a forcefield, it'd probably be akin to a wrestling match if one wanted to pass and the one who made the field didn't want to let the other.

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