AvX X-Position with Aaron

Fraction's already said everything he was doing with the Phoenix/Jean during his run has little to no impact on the story, or is in no way tangibly related to what he was planning.

Given that again, in the previews for AvX #1
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Scott says the last time they faced the Phoenix they were young and dumb.

So you guys were young and dumb a year ago? Cool story bro.

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Here's the deal. If the Phoenix' complicated history is too much for you to deal with in a story or you don't have a clue how to use it without dumbing it down for " lazy motherf**kers who can't be bothered to use Google or Wiki". Then don't use the Phoenix. That simple. Sorry.

The preview could also be taken that the last time they faced the Phoenix as an actual enemy was when they were younger. In Endsong, the Phoenix wasn't malevolent like it was during the Dark Phoenix saga. Plus there is indication the story is touching back on stuff when the force left the Cuckoos (since there is mentions of it gathering its pieces), so that means a reference to Warsong. Which means the Phoenix Force was encountered more recently than DPS.

Perhaps, just perhaps that one line from a preview wasn't meant to be taken that every other appearance of the Phoenix is being ignored (since clearly there is a connection to Warsong and Rachel's connection with it in WatX)?

Edited by Blackcyclops - 28-Mar-2012 at 6:05pm

Perhaps, just perhaps, if they don't want us to tear apart the previews in an analytical frenzy, then they shouldn't post them.

Oh please, your'e not that naive or gullible. Sure, they release previews to major events because they don't want fans to talk, speculate, or drum up hype for them (either positive or negative). Yeah.

Nobody is saying that they are saying the other Phoenix stuff didn't happen. That would be ridiculous.

They're discussing a possible threat. They look like idiots for only mentioning the first time the entity came to earth as opposed to the three or four times it's been around recently. It would be like the President having a conference with the U.N. on Iran and only bringing up something that happened twenty years ago.

Nobody is saying this stuff can't be touched on later in the series. But considering they continue to tout "new reader friendly" in every interview and have said in interviews that they aren't referencing a lot of Phoenix history, and given the previews, we're reaching logical conclusions based on the evidence we have.

Now maybe you want a fun beat 'em story. Cool. You're getting a whole mini about that. Don't act like the rest of us are hysterical because we'd like the event to pack a bit of intellectual and historical punch.

I do, however, agree with your interpretation of the Jean/Phoenix in Morrison.

The way they are reacting is if this is the first time since the DPS since the Phoenix or any incarnation of it has been near Earth. When in fact there have been fragments of it and hosts on Earth for years. But they are conveniently brushing that under the carpet.

I tend to forget Morrison and how he ignored continuity totally... and how he powered up to then kill off my favourite character just because he wanted to write his own personal Dark Phoenix s----t.
From my point of view Morrison can go to the hell or stay writing Batman and never ever write again any x-character... appart of Ultimate Universe.

Originally posted by Fenix I tend to forget Morrison and how he ignored continuity totally... and how he powered up to then kill off my favourite character just because he wanted to write his own personal Dark Phoenix s----t.From my point of view Morrison can go to the hell or stay writing Batman and never ever write again any x-character... appart of Ultimate Universe.

Go to hell? Jeez harsh maybe...

Actually, Morrison intended on killing Jean and then bring her back..but they removed him before he actually could bring her back. So instead, we had to settle for Here Comes Tomorrow..He wanted to tell the ultimate Phoenix story, yes, but he isn't the one that left Jean for dead. He very much intended to bring her back. At least, I remember an interview saying as much.

Ah, a hasty re-write as Kipe just said pretty much what I was going to say, but yeah, Morrison didn't rewrite continuity at all, and he wrote a Jean who was a lot stronger than we'd seen in some time. In recent years, everything she'd done was because she was rescuing Scott, or because Scott had asked her to, or she was with Logan, or something similar. Morrison had her become a woman in her own right again, strong and powerful and interesting.

And yes, I believe I've read that he intended for her to come back. To be fair, I'm glad she went to another plane of existence - It's given Emma the chance to step up, and otherwise we would have had a few years of "Is she the Phoenix? Is she not?" stories again. At least, when she returns, they may do something different with her.