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Magneto should win this fight, but that doesn't mean he will. Somehow or another, Tony Stark has become the Batman of the MU, able to anticipate anything and have the right stuff on hand to counter anything. I don't buy that. The Tony Stark I'm used to is able to adapt to situations and if he gets outmatched, is able to survive, possibly retreat, re-group, and then figure out the right solution and implement it after the fact, not beforehand.

Magneto should win this based on experience, strength of power, and the willingness to use that power in whatever fashion to achieve his goal(s).

As for Namor vs. Thing, both know each other so well but I'd give it to Ben. I wouldn't say Ben would cheat, but he'd pull some move that Namor wouldn't expect due to Namor's arrogance and pride in combat. Tenacity plus a little deviousness wins this for Ben.

Originally posted by Tyler5618 But a guy named "Iron Man," especially one as intelligent as Tony Stark, would not go into a fight with the X-Men and not anticipate/prepare for Magneto. That's just foolish.

Exactly...I'm not sure what Cyke is getting at. But if you read Iron Man's comic you see that Tony doesn't come into a match without thinking something through. He would be a total idiot to go into battle with Magneto and not have thought about it. That's not being Batman, that's being smart...

So what you expect him to be like "Yeah so we might have hostility with Magneto. So I probably should bust out that ol' classic Iron Man armor. Yeah the one I made in the cave. I mean its not like Magneto can do anything to metal" LOL

Originally posted by marhawkman Yeah, being Batman means creating not just one prethought out plan but 12 backup plans as contingincies against the uncertain.  Batman would go into the fight with not just a plan to take on the biggest threat, but plans to deal with the entire enemy team, singly and as a group.

While simultaneously fighting crime atop the rooftops of Gotham City...

As far as having a tactician's mind goes, I think Cyclops would be more apt as Marvel's Batman.

The fact that the Avengers even chose to attack Utopia just goes to show they aren't prepared for this. Cyclops and the X-Men have a pretty good track record of defending their home base. I doubt the Avengers ever came up with a contingency plan for if they had to fight the X-Men.

But you know Cyclops has put a lot of thought into what would happen if the Avengers or Super-hero community turned on the mutant community.

And that would make alot of sense if he was going into battle with someone he never fought before or someone he's only fought once.

Magneto has been a villain for about what? 10yrs Marvel time? And during that time Magneto's power has pretty much stayed the same right?

So just like Spider-Man would wear a rubber costume when facing Electro, wouldn't Tony think to wear a non-metal armor when fighting Magneto? Not a single person said he would plot out how to stop Magneto from throwing metal debris and stuff. But to think that Iron Man, again I'm not sure where this Batman comparison comes from, wouldn't come into a potential fight with the X-Men with some type of plan is a disrespect to the X-Men. Because that would assume that Tony is so cocky as to underestimate the X-Men and that sounds more ridiculous than him being "Batman" lol...

And I'm not even saying Iron Man would win. I'm just saying that to have such certainty plays a disservice to Magneto. Iron Man has experience, is pragmatic (let's not act like he's the boy scout like Captain America, Tony has played dirty with his own friends before), and his suit of armor is very adaptive. That's his biggest asset. Just like Magneto's biggest asset is that he has raw power, Iron Man's armor is so readily able to be changed up for a particular fight makes him dangerous.

IMO what spells the winner here is who pressures the advantage faster and who doesn't get too cocky. Because both men can start to get alil cocky and that could spell a loss for either of them. If Iron Man underestimates how far Magneto will go, he's done. If Magneto underestimates Tony's intellect because he's a human, he's done.

Edited by Blackcyclops - 05-Apr-2012 at 12:24am

I suspect Magneto will win, but not before Tony pulls a sneaky trick that incapacitates him as well.

Couldn't Magneto just use the old iron in the blood trick on Iron Man? I dunno, Mags is so powerful it's hard to imagine him realistically having trouble with Iron Man. Namor vs. Thing is a much better match-up on paper. I could see Thing toughing it out for the W though.

Master of Magnetism vs the Iron Man:
Magneto monologues about what Tony's suit is made of. Iron Man then laughs cause he's wearing is brand new magneto proof suit. Epic battle of energy manipulation and flying debris occurs. Magneto gets the upper hand using his ability to manipulate the electro-magnetic spectrum. Before Iron-Man is thrown back to New York, Tony Stark makes a deal with the devil and gives Magneto an offer. Magneto agrees to stay out of the conflict so long as Iron Man hold up his end of the deal.
- Iron Man wins.

Namor vs the Thing:
Namor over powers the Thing, flying around and delivery heavy blow after heavy blow. Ben Grimm doesn't give up and, after taking a beating, eventually gains the upper hand and is able to keep Namor out of the water. Then Namor says "I am Namor the first, the Sub-mariner, KING of Atlantis and you are just a THING" Namor does a flying uppercut thingy and then drags the Thing underwater till he passes out.
- King of Atlantis wins.

well i guess by that list Colossonaut must win against spidie and Rulk if he then has to take on Thing to... well i mean depending on what the order of the match ups is in...

Edited by Caenman - 18-Apr-2012 at 12:16pm

Spidey v Colossonaut-- I think it's tough, but Spidey's been able to beat Juggernaut before by relying on his intelligence rather than out-right brute scrapping, and I think that's what might win this here. After all, I know Spider-Man's withstood a punch from Juggernaut before, but could he really handle the same from someone with Colossus's strength AND the Juggernaut's? Not likely. I'd love to say Colossus takes this, on the basis that he's stronger and far more intelligent than Cain Marko, but I'm pretty convinced that Spider-Man will take this one.

Gambit Versus Captain America-- Tough, because I love me some Gambit, but I honestly don't think the Cajun has much of a chance here. He's one of the better hand-to-hand combatants of the X-Men, but that doesn't mean he can take Cap. Unless he does something like charging Cap's shield (would it hold a kinetic charge? Who knows). Captain America wins.

Daredevil Versus Psylocke-- Daredevil's recent experience fighting ninjas may make him wise to some of the fighting techniques of Miss Braddock, but other than that, he's just one psychic knife away from being taken out of the fight. Add to that the fact that Psylocke could use her telepathy to scramble his perceptions from his super-senses, and he's potentially even lost that edge over her. I think it'll be an awesome fist-fight, but ultimately I think this is Psylocke's victory.

Black Widow Versus Magik-- I think this might actually be more plot than anything. I think Natasha is going to damage Illyana's costume, sees that she's wired up to explode under it, and enter some kind of dialogue about how she knows what it's like to not be trusted because she's a spy etc... but realistically, as good a hand-to-hand fighter as Illyana is, unless she teleports Natasha away or uses some kind of magic on her, I don't see Illyana winning this one.

Colossonaut Versus Thing-- Again, if we're assuming that just because someone didn't win a fight, doesn't mean they're taken out of the equation for future fights, I think this could be an interesting one. I think this one might be a "watch these guys hit each other with ridiculously massive objects" fight, so ultimately, it's going to come down to who hits whom with a heavier object to put them on their arse. Again, tough call, but I think this one might just go to Colossus.

There was also a cover featuring Thor fighting a blanked out character. I think it might be Storm, and if that's the case, I think Storm might be able to take him...

(Edited due to unintentional potential racism. Try saying that ten times, fast).




Edited by das_boot - 18-Apr-2012 at 2:59pm

Yeah, but it's going to take Magik getting Cyclops' permission to go to Limbo so she doesn't blow up first. It's the only move I've ever considered Cyclops to make that was a bit on the douchey side post "BYE MADDY/HI JEAN".

I don't know if she counts but Hope destroyed Wolverine pretty easy!

Edited by J-style - 24-Apr-2012 at 8:00am

Spidey vs. Colossonaut - More and more, I'd give this to Spidey. Over the years, Spidey has displayed quite the ability to not only last, but to gain a victory over opponents such as this. Piotr might use different tatics than Cain, but I think Peter can eke out a win here.

Gambit vs. Cap - I wonder, can Remy charge Cap's shield? Hm, interesting. But yeah, I see Cap taking this, hands down.

DD vs. Psylocke - First, I still don't think DD should be an Avenger to begin with, but that's another rant. Second, even so, I hate seeing Matt dragged into this. Third, this has the makings of a great fight but unless Matt is somehow able to take Besty out very quickly in the first few mintues, her powers give her an advantage I don't see Matt overcoming.

Black Widow vs. Magik - Ooh, this could be a great cat-fight. I want Illyana to win but I have a feeling Natasha will take it.

Colossonaut vs. Thing - Wow. Goodbye Downtown San Fran if these two really start up big.  I'll say Piotr because he is unstoppable.