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    Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 8:38pm
Punisher with a beard......I have to admit it too, why didn't anyone think of this before now? The beard makes Frank more intimidating and forceful.

What it also makes me think of is my underlying love for this character before he became a 90s' cliche joke. I've been re-reading some old classics to rekindle that love here lately.

Like Steven Grant's and Mike Zeck's classic 4 issue (with 5 books) mini-series back in the mid 80s. Then the phenomenal start of his first ever ongoing series. Just finished reading the first opening arc of Punisher War Journal. Story by the ever great Carl Potts with finished art by Jim Lee, it deals with the story behind the original mob hit that Frank and his family witnessed all those years ago in the park. Strong powerful moving story (featuring a cameo or two by Daredevil) and these issues are over 20 years old.

Thanks to Eliot R. Brown, the Punisher Armory mini-series is informative, insightful, and fun as ever.

I have yet to read any of Ennis' Punisher. By then, the joke was becoming tired and I really didn't care anymore. I know Ennis helped revitalize the character so if anyone who has read it can testify, tell me some of the best things it did in doing so.

Same goes with the current title. I love Rucka and this would seem like a good fit for him. But money woes have prevented me from getting the single issues. Anyone here read them?

Punish Frank with some luv by sharing what you like (or cringe) about this classic character.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 8:43pm
Well Ennis' stories are flawless...I'm normally not a fan of Max titles but Punisher MAX is a must read for anyone who likes gritty, engrossing storytelling.

The current stuff is fantastic. It meshes well with what Ennis did and with some of the best Punisher in the MU stuff. The current storyline called Omega Effect is a great jumping on point I think. It crosses over with DD (another GREAT BOOK) and Avenging Spider-Man.
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  Quote J-style Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Apr-2012 at 10:40pm
By the way Marvel non max seems to have abandoned that Vietnam was his war right? I'm not against it, just wondering. It needs to happen sooner or later annyway. I thinknit just says that he was a marine or something now?
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  Quote grief Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2012 at 12:15am
The only Punisher run I've picked up is the Frankencastle stuff, so I have nothing to compare to, but Rucka's Punisher is fantastic. Great mood, great art, and great use of the MU. When you get the money to pick it up, PICK IT UP.
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  Quote UncannyScott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2012 at 12:57am
They haven't definitively dropped that aspect J-style, they just don't really mention his past very much. I think Rucka figures that everyone knows Castle's past of being a Marine and losing his family and going out to punish people so they just don't really re-hash any of it. Though I bet that at some point there will be a .1 issue for the title that will get into that stuff sort of, like how the recent .1 for DD got into his past and powers a bit while telling a story.

Frankencastle was some great b-movie fun, but this Punisher is just great stuff. Rucka really took it up a notch.

The MAX stuff is really good too and gives you a Frank that is pretty free to do almost anything as there are no supers around every corner swooping in to stop him. Cause realistically we know that someone on the Superhero side would have stopped him by now, which is why Marvel took him out of the MU for all those years of to be in the MAX titles, but Rucka is doing really great with him in the MU. One just has to figure that Cap and company have bigger things to worry about.
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  Quote Monolith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2012 at 1:12am
Punisher actually did have a beard before, very briefly...in the short period between the end of his Marvel Edge series and the start of the ill-conceived Angelic Punisher in the Marvel Knights series. He was rendered amnesiac by an explosion and living in Manhattan as a homeless man who instinctively protected the innocent and punished criminals anyway.
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  Quote Charles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 4:11am
If you're on the fence with jumping into Ennis' run, hunt down and read his one-shot, Punisher: The Cell. It's quite possibly my favorite Punisher story ever, easily top three.
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  Quote Cable Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 3:46pm
The Punisher is an improved version of Batman. They both are the kind of hero meant to strike fear in villains because they clean up the bad guys when the law can't, and are awesome because they take on their enemies with no powers at all. Yet Batman is not a relatable character. He is a rich playboy who inherited mommy and daddy's money, drives a rocket car, throws boomerangs at people, etc. The Punisher is a guy who gets in a van with a shotgun and goes and messes people up. He is the ultimate relatable character because to a certain degree any of us could be him.

That's why Frankencastle is one of the worst stories ever. It completely misses that crucial aspect of the character. You cannot relate to Frank Castle as a *$%*iing zombie. Also why the angelic story is garbage and the upcoming Punisher space story will be too. It turns him into just another anti-hero, Wolverine-esque tough guy that are a dime-a-dozen. The more down-to-earth the Punisher story is, the better it will be. That is what makes the character great.


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Originally posted by Cable


That's why Frankencastle is one of the worst stories ever. It completely misses that crucial aspect of the character. You cannot relate to Frank Castle as a *$%*iing zombie. Also why the angelic story is garbage and the upcoming Punisher space story will be too. It turns him into just another anti-hero, Wolverine-esque tough guy that are a dime-a-dozen. The more down-to-earth the Punisher story is, the better it will be. That is what makes the character great.


Until Rucka's run, Frakencastle was the only bit of Punisher-ness that I owned.

Some people read comics because they're fun and ridiculous. I love Frakencastle.
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  Quote Cyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2012 at 5:21am
Originally posted by Charles

If you're on the fence with jumping into Ennis' run, hunt down and read his one-shot, Punisher: The Cell. It's quite possibly my favorite Punisher story ever, easily top three.


Gotcha. Wink

Punisher did not 'get' his real name of Frank Castle until the Grant/Zeck '85 mini.

Did not know that.  Wow.



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