Powered Mutants post M-Day:the 198 & more Spoiler

Keep in mind the only person to "classify" killcrops is Damien Tryp. I don't have the issue in front of me, but I do believe he stated that killcrops were the predecessor to mutants, who developed powers at birth. Further suggesting that killcrops have been around hundreds of years before mutants became prevalent.

Someone whose X-gene develops around puberty? I'm not trying to champion this point. This whole debate is based off of one discussion between Jamie and Tryp. I thought it was clearly stated by Tryp that killcrops preceded mutants and as such were considered a different group entirely by his standard. It's a minor point for the purposes of this thread but thought I'd hear others thoughts on it.

Daiman Tryp expressly stated to Madrox's parents that was not a mutant because he was a killcrop. Tryp is the only source of information we have on killcrops, and according to him they are a class separate and independent from mutants. As Tryp presented it, neither one is a subclassification of the other.

Well, Tryp's word is the only evidence we have on killcrops. If we accept killcrops exist at all, making Tryp a viable soure, we should also accept the rest of what he said about them. In for a penny, in for a pound...unless someone can think of a reason why he would disclose the existence of killcrops but lie about the details.

My thought is that he knows some things about them, but his knowledge is limited.

Cerebro reacts to Madrox, as it does to other presumable killcrops like Apocalypse

Edited by Survivor19 - 28-Sep-2009 at 5:55pm

Originally posted by Monolith Daiman Tryp expressly stated to Madrox's parents that was not a mutant because he was a killcrop. Tryp is the only source of information we have on killcrops, and according to him they are a class separate and independent from mutants. As Tryp presented it, neither one is a subclassification of the other.   For the purposes of this list, though, I think Madrox and Tryp should be listed among active mutants post M-Day, because that's essentially what they are, especially for story purposes. Cerebro reacts to Madrox, as it does to other presumable killcrops like Apocalypse.

Fair enough, but since Cereobro does react to Jamie, would it be a fair assessment to say that killcrops also contain the X-gene?

This is a bit speculative, but Tryp, for whatever reason, seems to see Jamie as a threat; he is also sneaky and devious. I would be VERY dubious about taking ANYTHING he says as canon.

Edited by Magpie - 28-Sep-2009 at 10:28pm

Couldn't it just be Tryp being an elitist/classist?  The circumstances of manifestation alone seem to be what he uses to differentiate Killcrops and other mutants, it's kind of like being an Eternal, or a Neyaphem or Cheyarafim, they are all mutants just mutants that share common bonds that some who share this bond use to set them apart from others of their kind, like humans of the same racial group seperating themselves by skin complexion.  If Killcrops are not mutants and mutants are only those who manifest during puberty, then what is Magneto? didn't a childhood illness keep him from manifesting until he was an adult?  So is he not a mutant?  Or Jean, her powers manifested before puberty (granted girls can experience puberty as young as 10 years old, but Jean showed no outward signs of puberty, like breast development until she had manifested tk)  And what would Xavier fall under since he manifested mutant powers in the womb?  Next Emma will be saying that the psi talents are a different kind of mutant, it's just a class IMO, they are all mutants just ask a Sentinel.

Edited by DarkLord - 29-Sep-2009 at 12:20am

I wouldn't add Lobe and his team yet, elixir. Just because they appeared in a "mutant" book doesn't mean they're mutants. Lobe, in particular, seemed to have visible cybernetic enhancements.

Originally posted by ajandrew1212 Ok, I'm confused by this list. Why are Professor X and Magneto on the regular list but Polaris and others on the repowered list?

I can only guess it's because Xavier and Magneto had their original powers re-activated where Polaris was granted artificial powers similar to her original set.

In this interview, Axel Alonso states that the Marvel Knights minis are intended to be out of continuity. In the same interview, he is plugging the at-the-time, upcoming Logan story. I see no conflict in considering Logan as canon, I'm just curious where it states it.

Edited by Charles - 29-Sep-2009 at 8:58pm

I've added Professor X to the main list cause his repowerment happens through the M'Kraan Crystal and if I remember correctly, it was hinted that among the infinite possibilities, Charles regained his X-gene.