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EphemeristX 
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 Posted: 14-Dec-2010 at 2:45pm |
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I thought Sabretooth had a nanite 'leash' like he did when he was a member of X-Factor. But what about his time with the team during the early Blue Team days? Does that count?
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Monolith
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Posted: 14-Dec-2010 at 6:53pm |
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No, because he wasn't really with the team then, despite those damnedable trading cards. He was kept in a cell in the basement the whole time, or locked up in the Danger Room. He was not "mission active" in any way, shape, or form.
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Charisma: the fine line between winning them over with charm and ruling them by fear.
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EvilMonkeyPope
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Posted: 14-Dec-2010 at 8:01pm |
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I thought that seen in Wolverine 50 happened after Cable booted him off Providence. Rogue didn't let him off The Conquistador prior to that. He swam all the way across the ocean to get there. He was alone in the mansion because all the other X-Men were busy with Messiah Complex and Manifest Destiny. At least that's how I read it. You kinda need to take that approach with modern Jeph Loeb stories.
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Monolith
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Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 1:41am |
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So Schism and Regenesis have prompted a chance to reconsider the team's membership.
The way I see it, the kids at Utopia are still X-Men Members, but those at the Jean Grey School are not. Logan's whole point was to treat them as kids and not soldiers. So I'd say all the newbies (Quentin Quire, Broo, Genesis, Kid Gladiator, Krakoa) are not official members. The cast of UXM, X-Men, New Mutants and Generation Hope are all X-Men, which would apparently include No-Girl and Sebastian Shaw, although the ending of Gen Hope #17 may settle it one way or the other. Uncanny X-Force are not X-Men, so no membership for Deadpool, Deathlok Prime, Ultimaton, and Nightcrawler AoA. Anyone else have some insights to share?
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Charisma: the fine line between winning them over with charm and ruling them by fear.
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Binaryan
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Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 7:18pm |
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As a reader, I stopped trying to justify team membership and who is an "X-Man" after the move to SF when they stopped functioning as a team with a set roster and began operating as a community/nation of mutants. With Cyclops making speeches about how they're all X-Men now, the concept of the X-Men as a team with membership and a roster has evolved into something else entirely.
So I stop "counting" people as having been part of the X-Men team around that time since from that point on, anyone following Scott's orders could be considered an X-Man according to his new, much broader definition of what it means to be an X-Man. |
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 17-Feb-2012 at 7:42pm |
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I agree with Monolith, Wolverine's side definitely has distinctions about who is an X-Man and who isn't, very distinct. The students are no longer X-Men and the neither is X-Force since, it isn't the "X-Men". On the Utopia side, the different teams (Generation Hope, New Mutants, and Storm's squad) are all different squads of the larger X-Men group.
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"And someone's mom wants to eat all their souls. As a mom, I was offended. Moms should get to be role models, too."-Savant
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northy33
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Posted: 18-Feb-2012 at 2:35pm |
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poor toad.....
 what about x-factor? as jamie & team always kept apart plus do some "ordinary" business as XFI - can we still consider them x-men? I'd say yes, as it is a team, displaying enough X on their uniforms... for starters. |
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let the play begin
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Gremlin
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Posted: 18-Feb-2012 at 3:26pm |
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I would have to say no to X-Factor. They have explicitly opposed the X-Men before and even during te Nation X issue Madrox declined the invitation and was opposed to Utopia. Plus it's an Investigation company...not a squad of X-Men like New Mutants or Gen Hope. I know Wolverine is trying to build bonds between his group and the X-factor crew but even the addition of Havok and Polaris don't make this an X-Men team.
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion...but yours is wrong.
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 18-Feb-2012 at 6:14pm |
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A really simple way to look at it is that Xfactor are called Xfactor, the new mutants and gen hope are just called X-Men.
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"And someone's mom wants to eat all their souls. As a mom, I was offended. Moms should get to be role models, too."-Savant
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