X-Men Members Part II

So in other words, Forge was only a member during the Shi'r rescue and the Muir Island saga.

So, was Caliban an X-Man or not?

Edited by Sifo Dyas - 26-May-2008 at 9:42pm

Cyclops personally named Caliban an X-Man.  The line was something like, "He died an X-Man."

I don't know...I think I'd count them before Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth. I know they're listed all over the place as joining durring Carey's run...but Sabretooth was essentially a prisoner the whole time he was with them and Rogue told LM flat out that she only wore the uniform because she was naked when they found her...that she wasn't an X-Man.

Rogue told Cyclops, "You wanted me to pick my team...here is my team", referring to both Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth. Big "Go team, go" full page poster art. That does it for me. Their membership was explicitly indicated.

Well,  I think it's fine if  Cyclops wants to remember Caliban as an X-Man.  He may have never officially joined, but  Messiah CompleX made  it  quite clear that he would at least get an  "honorary" status in his memory.

I don't see what is wrong with that.  And the fact that no one disagreed at the time gives Cyclops' statement, "He died an X-Man" just as much credibility as Rogue's, "Well, this is my team.  Go team, go." snub.

@Monolith:

No, I mean...I get your point, and I agree with it to an extent, but comparing the X-Men to other organizations, clubs, or teams.....people are made members of such things posthumously. 

I'm not saying that this is exactly the case with Caliban, but is this a considerable option?  And, if so, what would it take within canon for it to be accepted?  Besides Cyclops' statement?

I only ask because the Rogue reference was brought up, and if all it takes for Lady M and Sabretooth to be named X-Men is Rogue's quip to Cyclops, then I don't see why the same can't be said for Caliban.   True, he was a member of the X-Force, but at the same time - it was an X-Force specially commissioned by Cyclops, the acting leader of the X-Men.

I agree that "X-Man = hero", and Cyclops was definitely saying that Caliban died a hero.  But, is there anything to say that he also doesn't consider Caliban an X-Man now?  At least in-memoriam? 

About Hepzibah also - She's no different then some of the other characters on the list.  Celcilia Reyes is included. She didn't want to be included, and never acknowledged herself as such. She only helped for a short period, and most of those times the X-men were forced into the circumstance she didn't go along willingly. She didn't even wear an X belt. The only difference being readers liked her.

Cecilia - I forgot about Revolution. I thought her tenure was much shorter.

1. Yes. Magneto, during a time when he was an opponent of the team, not a member. I'm sorry, but there's just no reason to believe Caliban was a team member during the Extremist arc. If that arc made him an X-Man, then Callisto should be an X-Man. She collapsed at the X-Mansion and complained about Masque once, too (UXM #291).

I guess we just need to take a hard look at Caliban�s Extremist and Messiah Complex role prior to the formation of X-Force. Caliban did have his headshots in the upper left corner of some Uncanny X-Men comics while at least being an ally, unlike Magneto�s headshot when he was a villain. I, like Monolith, feel X-Force was a separate team during the Messiah Complex and don�t consider Wolfsbane or X-23 as X-Men either. I�m just perplexed with Caliban�s role. I�m curious what Marvel and their writers think about Caliban. An X-Men or not?

Monolith, I think  that medium is  arguing from the other characters perspective.

Given what we've all been told in solicits and interviews and within the story, the only people that are supposed to know that there even is such a thing specifically called "X-Force" is Cyclops, Wolverine, and the actual members of X-Force....and I guess Angel too, now.

Unless the other X-Men that knew Wolverine took his "X-Force" out know it's called "X-Force" and think it was just a one-time deal.

I'm 50/50 on the Caliban thing, honestly.  But, then again, I'm of the mind that if you have an "x" on your belt, and you uphold Xavier's dream and work with his people, they're all X-Men at heart. 

That goes back to Monolith's statement that, "X-Men = hero."  In terms of active official rosters tho, I have no idea.