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EvilMonkeyPope 
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 Topic: Asgardian weaponsPosted: 18-Dec-2008 at 2:19am |
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Are their any limits on who can use Absorbing Man's ball & chain, Stormbreaker, the Wrecking Crew's weapons, or Thunderstrike's hammer?
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Monolith
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Posted: 18-Dec-2008 at 2:30am |
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You mean like the "He who is worthy may wield the power of Thor" enchantment? No. None of those weapons are magically too heavy to lift, except possibly Stormbringer. Their various other special qualities require the right wielder, though. No one could randomly life Thunderstrike's mace and fire off "thunder blasts" for instance, or hurl Thunderball's ball and have it return to their grasp. Unique magical interactions between the wielder and the weapon, there.
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marhawkman
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Posted: 18-Dec-2008 at 10:16am |
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what sort of special effects do the others have?
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Monolith
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Posted: 18-Dec-2008 at 4:25pm |
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Most of them have been described in full with their users in the MPD threads, but in short:
Absorbing Man: his ball and chain can change size and composition as he does
Beta Ray Bill: Stormbringer allows flight, weather control, teleportation, returns to his grasp
Thunderstrike: the mace has similar above properties
Wrecker: the crowbar has occasionally allowed teleportation, mind control, force fields, costume changes, etc.
Thunderball: the ball and chain returns to his grasp
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RingOtaku
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Posted: 18-Dec-2008 at 6:57pm |
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While discussing Asgardian Weapons wasn't there some guy named like Bloodaxe who messed with Thunderstrike who had a unique asgardian weapon? Big axe hence the guy's name. Did that axe have any powers in and of itself?
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Monolith
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Posted: 18-Dec-2008 at 7:07pm |
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Yes, that was the Executioner's old axe. It was capable of teleportation, energy discharges, and "costuming". The teleportation rifts could be used creatively, like warping the space in front of Bloodaxe to deflect attacks, or using tiny rifts into various parts of the Nine Worlds for offensive attacks. For instance, Bloodaxe could summon the freezing winds of Jordheim, or the stellar flames of Muspelheim, through cuts in space.
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Nomad
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Posted: 19-Dec-2008 at 1:13am |
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How about other Asgardian weapons like the ones that belong to people like Baldur, Valkyrie, Warrior's Three...? Do they have any special properties or are just regular weapons?
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Monolith
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Posted: 19-Dec-2008 at 1:56am |
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Typically, no. The "average" Asgardian weapon is just made of denser materials than Earth matter. Asgardian flesh is supposedly about three times denser than human flesh, and the same holds true for weapons of Asgardian wood, stone, metal, etc.
Valkyrie's blade Dragonfang actually isn't an Asgardian weapon -- it was given to her by Doctor Strange shortly after she joined the Defenders. I think it was actually forged from a dragon's fang, or something like that.
Balder used to wield the enchanted Sword of Frey. There was something special about the blade, but I can't recall what it was.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 12:21am |
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Has Mjolnir been downgraded recently?
Like wasn't harder than adamantium? It seem to be getting damaged a lot easier than in earlier depictions.
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Monolith
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Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 12:52am |
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It was damaged in battle with Thor's grandfather, Bor, who wielded the same power as the Odinforce (essentially). Fixing the damage with Doctor Strange left both Thor and Mjolnir weaker than before.
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Posted: 07-Oct-2009 at 11:41pm |
That's what I love about this site; always something to learn. Admittedly I got into the 'original' Defenders quite late, but I'd always assumed that the sword came with the job. Live and learn! 
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marhawkman
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 12:54am |
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So what of they sword Dani now wields? Or has nothing been said other than getting it from Hela?
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Ciel
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 1:26am |
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Nothing divulged yet about the nature of the sword Dani received from Hela this time around.
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 3:49pm |
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Maybe I can help with Valkyrie & Dragonfang:
Dr Strange presented Val with this gift to keep her in the Defenders and to help her 'uneasyness' after having given back the Black Knight's Ebony Blade. Val was starting to get the twangs of not feeling comfortable in her own skin, due to her persona overlaid over Barbara Norris'.
As per Dr Strange, and this is a fairly accurate quote from the comic from memory: "The story goes that an Oriental wizard named Khaji-Da was said to have slain an extradimensional dragon, then carved the sword whole from one of beast's fangs. The Ancient One gave it to me for a special occasion."
Relyin' on the 'ole mem'ry here, and the words are about 95% accurate, however I recall the comic panels vividly of Dr Strange presenting Val the sword and her delight in receiving it!
Dragonfang is a golden color, and in one comic long ago, was shown giving off energy bolts, although they did not appear to be the type to do damage, just excess energy! It is indestructible, is said to cleve through virtually any material and has magical properties (never really explored) but it can and does hold enchantments quite well.
A later writer in the late '80s did a stupid story about an alien sorcerer taking up residence in the blade (!?!), and having Thor shatter Dragonfang. It was apparently later restored.
Dragonfang is indestructible, up there with the Ebony Blade and Mjolnir. The Hulk even tried to break Dragonfang in both hands once, but could only "bend stupid sword" which was the sword's magical way of resisting an irresistible force. (Dragonfang is not malleable or bendable; this was to show it's durability, resiliance and magical properties).
Dragonfang's true appearance has a jagged head with eye on each side of hilt and mouth. Beware immitations that show a rounded head, horse head, horse head with feathers for hilt (the new Lady Liberators) or any other version.
Valkyrie and Dragonfang have been a favorite character of mine for a long time, and although not heavily super-powered like today's heroes, there is something great in her. However, I have always found Val to be portrayed as a more minor character, and for years friends didn't even know who she was! I think that is partly why Dragonfang is unknown and not shown to be the true super-weapon it really is, especially backed by the power of a goddess!
Well, this concludes today's class on the super-sword, Dragonfang. Please fill out an evaluation form before you leave. Hope this helps!
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 8:54pm |
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Just wondering, a couple of years back Luke Cage seemed to take a liking to the crowbar after fighting Wrecker, did he keep it?
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Monolith
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Posted: 08-Oct-2009 at 9:05pm |
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Doesn't seem like it. The Wrecker has appeared with his crowbar many times since then.
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marhawkman
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Posted: 09-Oct-2009 at 4:23pm |
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Hmm... Maybe Cage couldn't keep it? Does it have that sort of property?
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Posted: 10-Oct-2009 at 3:27am |
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The Wrecker has been able to mind control people in the past if they touched the crowbar, and compel them to return it to his possession.
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marhawkman
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Posted: 10-Oct-2009 at 4:31pm |
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Yeah, I think that's close enough.
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Posted: 27-Dec-2009 at 8:27pm |
Actually, Thor had to sacrifice what amount he had left of the Odinforce in conjunction with Strange's efforts in order to repair Mjolnir. Essentially, Thor is back to his pre-Lord of Asgard power levels. Also, the repair effort further tied hammer and wielder together. Strange told Thor that whatever damage the hammer suffers from now on will be felt and incurred onto Thor as well. |
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Posted: 27-Dec-2009 at 8:39pm |
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While I'm not sure where/when he picked it up, Luke Cage DID have the crowbar in a not-so-recent issue of New Avengers. Cage gets it from somewhere in the Avengers Tower, so he clearly kept it for at least the duration of the NA's time there (I always figured since the NA encounted the Wrecker in that early Sentry-arc). He hit Venom and Bullseye in the head with it and then hurled it out a window.
I assume the Wrecker got it back after that, but I honestly don't know. |
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marhawkman
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Posted: 28-Dec-2009 at 1:40am |
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Ah, that would make sense. Especially if Wrecker was trying to force Cage to return it.
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Posted: 28-Dec-2009 at 1:45am |
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In the past, the Wrecker has variably demonstrated the ability to teleport the crowbar to him, or take psychic possession of anyone else who touches it, and force THEM to bring the crowbar to him. He's got the magic touch...he's just not always smart enough to use it.
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RingOtaku
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Posted: 05-Jan-2010 at 7:44am |
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I do believe we see Cage swiping the crowbar while he is in Avengers Tower implying he never KEPT it. Otherwise he'd have been using it regularly throughout the NA run. More like Cage knows the weapon and so prefers to grab it as a temporary aid in battle when he can.
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