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Topic: Captain America's Shield Posted: 21-Oct-2009 at 4:09pm |
Captain America is among my favorite superheroes and the other day I and three friends were discussing his marvelous shield, but to our dismay, we all disagreed on its composition.
Here are the theories that the 4 of us swear we read somewhere in Marvel Comics:
1) Adamantium + Vibranium
2) Proto-Adamantium, stronger than True and Secondary Adamantium, never again made
3) Iron + Vibranium
4) Vibranium alone (?)
Just what is Cap's shield made of? Where has this been stated? Also, How are the straps attached on the inside if the shield is indestructible? Is the shield indestructible? (Just thought I better ask that one since all the shield confusion) Were the 4 of us confused because these various compositions have been mentioned in the past, but only one is correct?
Thank you for any information you can provide. We are now more confused than ever.  Looking forward to the answers! 
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Posted: 21-Oct-2009 at 5:55pm |
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I have seen it withstand Wolverine's claws and be destroyed by a punch from Thanos with his gauntlet.
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Posted: 21-Oct-2009 at 7:58pm |
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I have seen Wolverine slash it but not slash through it, like he was slashing a super thick wall (you know when he leaves like a little pen mark) and I've also read Wolverine saying it was vibranium and adamantium, and I've also read it just be vibranium. Then again, I've also read someone say "I have no idea what its made up."
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Posted: 21-Oct-2009 at 11:27pm |
The shield is made of a steel and vibranium alloy, making it virtually indestructible and more durable than True Adamantium.
At the onset of WWII, the newly-created Captain America travelled to Wakanda and made an alliance with T'Chaka, the current Black Panther and T'Challa's father. From this meeting, the US government received a sample of Wakandan Vibranium, which was turned over to the scientist and metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLein for study. MacLein attempted to increase the vibranium's durability by fusing it molecularly with other metals, but failed. A one-time laboratory accident one night DID fuse steel to the vibranium, thus creating Cap's shield. It has its discus shape because MacLein was using the circular hatch for a tank as a mold. MacLein never managed to duplicate the process that created the shield, but his experiments along that line eventually led to him creating the less-durable metal known as...Adamantium.
As I understand it, this was all unestablished until around Cap #302. Before that, the shield was only referred to as a "space-age metal" or something similar. In early issues of the Avengers, in fact, the shield was treated as disposable. It was destroyed by the Living Laser once, and Cap later turned up in the issue carrying a spare. Once it was established that the shield was a unique object, some minor retcons established that Cap gave his shield to Tony Stark to study for a period of time in the Avengers' early days, and used replica shields during that time. Hence, the "destruction" of the shield.
Because of its connection to the origins of Adamantium, the shield has occasionally been referred to as a Adamantium / Vibranium alloy, even in some OHOTMUs. This confusion was so prevalent that a short story in Avengers Annual 2000 even showed Jarvis responding to a series of queries from the Avengers' gov't backers, including "Does the shield contain adamantium?", "Is Falcon a mutant?", and "Didn't Iron Man go crazy and kill a buncha people?".
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Posted: 23-Oct-2009 at 2:20am |
Thanks for the great answers!
Whew! All 4 of us were sure we "knew" our particular version of the shield consistency, from reading Marvel Comics, so it is good to know we are not losing our collective minds! 
 We did have a few other related questions:
1) What is Proto-Adamantium? Could this be the actual name of the metal used in Caps's shield? I think I read this Proto was only made once (like Caps' Shield) and is as much stronger than True Adamantium as True is over Secondary Adamantium. Is this true?
2) Was the shield that USAgent used, the black/red/white discus, CA's shield, or another one? What was that composed of?
3) Are the straps on the inside an affectation for a way to hold the shield, since nothing can penetrate it?
As always, thank you!
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Posted: 23-Oct-2009 at 3:47am |
1) You COULD call it Proto-Adamantium, but that's not its official name.
2) When Cap was forced to retire, and John Walker replaced him, he was given a new shield made of titanium by Iron Man. When Rogers and Stark had a falling out, he tossed the shield and got a new one from T'Challa, made of pure Vibranium. Walker inherited that shield when he became USAgent.
3) Sure.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2009 at 2:34am |
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magnto can manipulate adamantium. proven many times in x-men. can he manipulate cap's shield?
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Posted: 26-Oct-2009 at 9:07am |
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I'd say he could easily manipulate Cap's shield, Kaji. He can manipulate anything metal after all.
Speaking of this though.. have Cap and Magneto ever met in battle?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2009 at 12:03am |
Originally posted by Monolith
2) When Cap was forced to retire, and John Walker replaced him, he was given a new shield made of titanium by Iron Man. When Rogers and Stark had a falling out, he tossed the shield and got a new one from T'Challa, made of pure Vibranium. Walker inherited that shield when he became USAgent.
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I actually have that issue. It was a "Fall of the Mutants" tie-in. I think the one Iron Man gave him was Adamantium. It was right after he, falcon, nomad, and d-man fight famine. Iron Man gives him a colorless shield and says try it out. "the walls are lined with adamantium, same as I made your shield out of." before that he used the back of a door as a shield to defend himself against Famine's attacks. I would of used a garbage can lid.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2009 at 5:17pm |
Originally posted by A1xx
I'd say he could easily manipulate Cap's shield, Kaji. He can manipulate anything metal after all.
Speaking of this though.. have Cap and Magneto ever met in battle? |
They met when Emma Frost sicked the Avengers on him, claiming he was trying to kidnap her students (he was actually trying to get the New Mutants out of her clutches).
EDIT: Just checked, it was NM #40.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2009 at 7:45pm |
Originally posted by A1xx
Speaking of this though.. have Cap and Magneto ever met in battle? |
Check Captain America 368: merely a Magneto robot, but it shows that magnetic power can manipulate the shield.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2009 at 6:53pm |
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Magneto can't manipulate his shield. He mentioned it in the New Mutants issue that Magpie cited
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Posted: 07-Nov-2009 at 1:26am |
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Sometimes he can and sometimes he can't. Remember Marvel Zombies? Doesn't he take of cap's head with his own shield.
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I know Count Nefaria once tried to crush the shield in his bare hands with all his strength, but could not. He was surprised the shield resisted him, and doubted his strength. It was not that he was weak---he battled Thor and all the Avengers easily. He just did not know the true composition of the shield. But, we do!
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Posted: 27-Dec-2009 at 8:21pm |
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The best confrontation I've read between Cap and the X-Men occurred, not in a comic, but in a novel.
Greg Cox's Gamma Quest trilogy featured a team-up of the X-Men and Avengers. Book 1 had the usual scenario of both groups facing off against each other till they realize they're after the same thing. In this instance, it was Cap vs. Cyclops. Facing off in a wooded area, Cox details a fight wherein Scott attempts to blast Cap, even utilizing his penchant for ricoheting his beam shots. However Cap was more effective at blocking those shots, even by throwing his shield. The whole time, Cap steadily advances across the field despite Scott's best efforts till Cap is able to knock him out with his shield. A great small fight that I would love to see drawn.
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Posted: 14-Jan-2010 at 1:54am |
What If? AoA Cap's sheild was in a bad shape with dents and broken bits.
Its also been said that it has a Vibranium core which absorbs the impact of what ever which means Cap doesnt get crushed under the sheild if hit by hulk or whom ever. This my indicate that there is a pure Vib deposit in the centre of the sheild and alloy around or over the surface.
Monolith, is your explanation of Vib's relationship to Adamantium in continuity with what has been established in other comics? isnt it found as a raw ore?
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Posted: 14-Jan-2010 at 2:08am |
Yes, Vibranium is. Where did I say otherwise?
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Posted: 14-Jan-2010 at 5:46pm |
The other night I was playing MUA 2 at my friend's house and when we went to answer questions in the hope of leveling up, one question asked what composed Cap's shield.
All of the answers I listed in my original post were there. I wanted to use Mono's answer, but my friend didn't. He "compromised" by going with his second guess. Guess what? He was wrong!
Monolith was correct: Iron + Vibranium! My friend still won't believe it and insists that it is Adamantium + Vibranium!
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Posted: 15-Jan-2010 at 1:19am |
"It has its discus shape because MacLein was using the circular hatch for a tank as a mold. MacLein never managed to duplicate the process that created the shield, but his experiments along that line eventually led to him creating the less-durable metal known as...Adamantium."
If he "created" adamantium then it doesnt fit with it being found as an ore. thats where you said it.
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VIBRANIUM is an ore, not Adamantium. Adamantium is not, and never has been, an ore, in any comic set in the main Marvel Universe.
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Okay so my question is if there is ONE shield that is Iron+Vibranium and only one then who has it right now? I assume Bucky because of the way that story went but I don't have the issues on hand to double-check.
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Bucky-Cap had THE shield. Who will be left with what after Reborn isn't known yet.
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What was the deal with the spare shield Cap found in his ruined apartment in the latest issue of New Avengers? It seemed to be glowing, and left an energy trail whenever Steve used it (I truthfully couldn't tell if this was the artist taking liberty, or an intentional effect the shield had). Is there any kind of canon lore behind this shield? Or was it just some spare he happened to have laying around his house that Bendis wrote in?
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It's one of his photonic shields. Cap used several of them in the 90's. Before Onslaught, Cap was briefly branded as a traitor and stripped of his uniform. He operated clandestinely as "The Expatriate" for a few months, using a photon shield based on the one USAgent employed with Force Works.
After the Heroes Return, Cap lost his classic shield at sea, while rescuing sailors on a submarine from Hydra. He used a more advanced photonic shield during this time, one which could morph into force fields, quarterstaffs, spears, etc. It's covered in more detail in his Power Description. Just look up the Monolith's Power Descriptions thread in Sinister's Lab, and search for Captain America.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 6:37pm |
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Oh cool, thanks Monolith!
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