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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2011 at 4:00am
well that's nice too. :)

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2011 at 4:13am
Not if you wanted to see the final 8 episodes of the season in a timely fashion.
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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2012 at 4:53pm
*dusts thread off instead of starting new one*
 
And we are back with a new episode! Avoiding too many spoilers I'm happy to see the return and resolution of the "Fate Host" story as it was a big dangler for a while now in a way that doesn't destroy any team dynamic. This makes me happy.
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This isn't DC Comics -- Marvel continuity doesn't die out if you don't water it often enough.
The whole Batman idea is a very childish response to childhood trauma.
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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2012 at 10:30pm
I'm also glad they wrapped up the Fate danler neatly.
Who were Amber the pilot & the Blackthorn wizard?
It sounded like the sorcerors were chanting "Wir sind die Pfeiffer von Hameln!"/"we are the pipers of Hamelin!"
It was neat that Captain Marvel Shazamed! between dimensions. I supposed the Red Tornado was created at least 18 years ago. It's kinda pathetic the Justice League couldn't spare more members to take on 4 wirds that have split the dimension.
I don't understand the other wizards' motives for aiding Klarion.
My favorite part was when the Riddler walked out of STAR Labs with a chunk of Starro.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2012 at 4:57am
cool, but I missed it. :(

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  Quote Anna Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2012 at 9:01am
I loved the episode overall, especially how they used Billy.

I thought Amber was just a random teenager, but I don't know maybe she was someone important.

The one thing I thought a bit contrived was how readily Zatanna resorted to Fate's helmet. I think Ms. Martian could have easily performed the same maneuver as Capt. Marvel to get the crystal.
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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 6:46am
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Amber Joyce appeared only once in "The Woman with Omnivision" from Superman Family #203 (1980). It seems her name was completely pulled out of a hat.
The buff tattooed supervillainess at Belle Reve has been revealed a Devastation, a magical Wonder Woman foe. Also random.
Apparently Lori Lemaris was one of the mermaids in Atlantis, which is actually appropriate.


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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by JeromeKMoore

Okay, the strong female inmate appearing in "Terrors" is the YJ version of Devastation, an enemy of Wonder Woman. The comic book version looks vastly different, since there she resembles a childlike evil sprite.
hunh, kinda weird.  But I like that they reuse peeps more often than making up new chars.

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2012 at 10:16pm
It defeats the purpose of obscure character cameos if fanboys like us can't identify them & they don't make sense in context when their identities are announced.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 12:27am
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Devastation
 
After further pondering...  Yes the character is different, but in a good way.  It makes sense for a 400 Lb 8ft brute to be the Avatar of Cronus.  Also, Deva may have been 4 feet tall in her true form, but she rarely fought in that form.  She typically changed her appearance to that of an adult when fighting.
 
So... this Deva COULD actually look the same as the original.  We only saw her when the control collar wasn't activated.  Her powers are also similar.  The original was able to face WW in battle and match her blow for blow.  The one cool trick old Deva had that new Deva didn't show was a mental manipulation ability.  But she only showed up for a few seconds.
 
(And yes I did just create the disambig page)

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 1:06am

If they're going to radically change a character, they need to properly introduce that character. They did this with Mr. Twister & it worked fine because there was context.  They don't have time to explain who all the cameos are, so there should be enough of a connection that die-hards can identify. JLU did this really well. Otherwise they might as well just make up new characters.

No fan identified that character as Devastation. We were all picking characters that sort of resembled her build like Rampage, Knockout, & Grace Choi. The only thing the two characters have in common is their gender & thorn motif, which most people mistook as more pedestrian barb wire tattoos on the cartoon version. We had to get the animation team tell us who she's supposed to be.  While I appreciate superstrong women depicted with significant muscle tone, this appearance misses the point that Devastation is supposed to look deceptively cherubic. There's no reason for her to disguise herself as a brickhouse since she primarily uses her mental powers to trick her enemies fight each other. Plus, having heroes beat up on a little girl makes them look bad in the public eye, which also fits her MO. More importantly, Devastation is a Titan-powered golem. Making her punch through a wall is a waste of her powers. Since she has magical powers at a Divine level, Belle Reve & its control collars couldn't hold her at all (just like they'd be useless on Klarion).
So not only was she unrecognizable, her prescence didn't make sense once she was identified. That's a BAD cameo.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 4:27am
Devastation isn't THAT powerful.... close but not quite.  She's approximately equal to Wonder Woman in power.   And like I said... when she first met Wonder Woman she actually did take her on in direct combat.
 
At any rate, I never considered Deva as a possibility as I'd never heard of her before.  One thing that bugged me when I saw the ep was the way they played a rumbling sound when Deva was walking into the screen.  I wasn't sure what it was meant to be and it kinda felt important as very few scenes in the ep had a rumbling sound.  My current conclusion is that it was meant to be Deva's ability to create earthquakes.
 
I'd love for them to use her again and properly show her off as a villainess.

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 5:06am
So when did they reveal the Light?

And who was the Black superheroine in Dakota City?
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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2012 at 7:41am
The Light were revealed 6 episodes ago in Revalation. They've realized using blurry screens to talk to each other is pointless.
That was still Rocket.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 11:31pm
Today's ep had a lot of Ominous Foreshadowing.
 
But it also had a few revelations.  Such as.... Miss Martian is very true to her comic book roots.  Oh and we get to meet the person who inspired M'Gann's human disguise.
 
And the first appearance of Garfield Logan!
 
but that's not the surprise twist....  the surprise twist is one of the villains trying to blackmail M'Gann.

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 10:40am
Coldhearted was a surprisingly solid episode. The insinuation that the ice fortresses were powered by the ice villains from Belle Reve felt off. Only Killer Frost & Icicle Jr. are inherently cryokinetic. The others are tech based. So wouldn't it be much easier to just build that tech into  the flying fortresses  instead of springing all the ice foes to power the ships directly?
 
Images felt all over the place. Batman narcing out M'Gann's consensual roleplaying to Black Canary was creepy odd. We meet Beast Boy but he doesn't turn green after his Martian transfusion. LAME. I'm not sure what to think of Queen Bee. In the comics she's literally an alien insect queen, but here she's the mostly human (?) ruler of a Middle Eastern country. So she's supposed to be more ralistic, but she keeps her goofy Silver Age name & bee motif. She also has mind control powers, but she needs to hire Psimon since hers are apparently crummy. Why doesn't Psimon use his powers for a coup if his are so much better? If Psimon is that powerful, does The Light really need Starro to pull off their endgame? Kid Flash hinting that Bruce Wayne is Batman was funny.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 2:25pm
Yeah, good point on the ice fortresses.  Didn't think about that.
 
I think we should wait until next episode to pass judgement on the beast boy situation. :)
 
Coup?  you mean like how Psimon forced the guy to make his country an ally of Qurac?  Psimon apparently can't do long term mind control he has to actively focus on a victim to get them to do things.

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 5:35pm
Actually EmP there are multiple Queen Bee's and one of them is a human ruler of a country, so this isn't some change or anything.
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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 10:49pm
I didn't realize the Bialyian Queen Bee in the comics wasn't an alien too. I still think her  name & bee motif don't work with the tone of the show. Queen Bee sounds like it should be an abbreviation for her full name, but then you realize it's not. The bee motif costume (which her comic counterpart didn't wear) just reinforces how odd her character feels even if it's an elegant design. They have an actual costumed gimmick supervillainess running a country. It just seems a bit too corny for the show, much like trying to make Sportsmaster a legit badass.
I don't think we'll be seeing any more Garfield Logan, at least this season. So it looks like the show did blow its chance for having appropriate fan service by turning him green. He could pop up in season 2 with powers, but why not just introduce them now like the Ms/ Marvel foreshadowing in AEMH?
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 11:18pm
Queen Bee is one of theose chars who picked a name because it suited her powers.

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2012 at 12:20am
I was let down by the end suggesting that Miss Martian would let herself be blackmailed. She's been shown to be extremely powerful, so it doesn't seem like it'd be hard for her to free Gar from Bee's influence. (Maybe if we'd actually seen how Bee's powers work it wouldn't feel so weak.) Then she could brainfry Queen Bee. That'd lead to an international incident & muck up The Light.
The moral of the episode is that BATMAN IS WATCHING YOU MAKE OUT! HE'LL RAT YOU OUT TO HIS CO-WORKERS IF IT GETS KINKY!
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  Quote acolyte47 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2012 at 7:08pm
So after watching "Agendas" and the reveal of Guardian as Red Arrow's uncle, anyone thinking in a twist that Red Arrow's the Mole and is actually a clone and not even know it? Especially since the episode revealed that Superboy had programed triggers they were completely unaware of and could conceivably be in other clones?

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2012 at 8:45pm
So im willing to bet the new League member is either Icon, Aqualad or Kid Flash...

It was super cool seeing them discuss all the League stuff. I want Rocket to hang out more with the YJ.

So far we've seen just about every major DC hero except Firestorm and Blue Beetle. I wonder will we ever see them.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2012 at 4:14am

The episode opens with a meeting of the Justice League.  Throughout the episode, we see bits and peices of a meeting where the JLA is discussing their membership.  Who to add, what qualities are needed in a JLA member, and in the case of Batson whether to vote him out.  People considered for inclusion: Icon, Rocket, Atom, Plastic Man, Guy Gardner.  People mentioned when discussing the qualities needed include: M'Gann, Robin, Aqualad, and Superboy.

So, yeah, that WAS Icon and Rocket in the earlier ep.  :D  As for current League members: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, John Stewart, Red Tornado, Hawk Girl, Hawkman, Captain Marvel, I'm probably forgeting at least one.

The minor subplot is about most of the team prepping for holiday meals.

This week's episode has a fun main plot.  Conner gets a message from Lex about how Cadmus has created a second "superclone".  Conner goes to Cadmus and questions the Cadmus officials and gets nothing out of it except permission to personally inspect the facility.  While he's looking at the room where he was kept Wolf smells something and starts scraching at the wall.  Conner rips the red gook off to reveal a hatch hidden in the wall.  He opens the hatch to find a room filled with cold-storage chambers filled with Cadmus's failed experiments.  He walks into the center of the room and finds a chamber labeled "Match".  When he opens it, Match immediately attacks him and after a struggle beats him senseless.  When Superboy comes to, Match is nowhere to be seen and Conner is in a healing tube similar to the one he was originally found in.  After he breaks out of the tube, he asks people why they didn't tell him about Match and they all respond that they didn't know he was there and have no knowledge of his current wherabouts.  Then as soon as they leave, Lex pops up on a computer screen and talks about how he created something that can help Conner, stick-on S-shields that will temporarily up Conner's abilities to those of a full Kryptonian.  He also mentions how Match is made from incomplete synthetic Kryptonian DNA and mentally unstable due to the gaps in his DNA.  Conner later finds that Dubbilex hid Match and is attempting to rehabilitate him in "Geno-Morph City" underneath Cadmus.  Match however is so enraged when he sees Conner again that he breaks loose and tries to beat Conner to death.  Conner resorts to using one of the S-Shields to fight Match and beats him senseless with the power boost he gets.  Then Guardian and the Cadmus authorities show up and Dubbilex's secret is revealed.  Match is put back in cryogenic suspension, then Conner confronts Lex with the knowledge that it was Lex who created Match as his initial Superclone experiment.  Lex talks about how Conner is his son in a literal sense as it was Lex who provided the human part of his DNA.  When Conner refuses to relent Lex says "Red Sun" and Conner freezes in place long enough for Lex to leave.

 
So yeah... LOVED it!  still not sure about the "mole" thing.  Also, we don't know WHAT the League decided.  Admit one member? Admit zero and kick out Batson?  Admit more than one?  It's hard to be sure especially with the list of options shown at the end.  that was a long list!

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  Quote EvilMonkeyPope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2012 at 7:27am
The Watchtower looks like an iron ... IN SPACE!!!
Superboy is even lamer now that he can't fly or use heat vision without drugs. The only good Superman clone is Bizarro.
It's weird seeing the Hawks wear so many layers.
If Miss Martian is 48 years old, why didn't she get sucked into the adult universe in Misplaced?
The 2 GLs vetoing Guy Gardner was great.
That'd be mighty odd if Red Arrow was a clone of Guardian & the mole.
This episode felt dull. I hate Superboy & his story was flat. The JLA just bickered & made pretentious statements to each other. We didn't even find out the vote results. It was set on Thanksgiving but they didn't do anything thematically with the setting.
We really need an Aqualad-centric episode so we can see more of Ocean Master & Black Manta before the season finale.
Blue Beetle (Jaime) will be in season 2.
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