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Shadow Bamf
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Topic: Marvel vs. DC Posted: 08-May-2010 at 1:48am |
So. Marvel or DC?
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Posted: 11-May-2010 at 9:17pm |
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DC simply has more "super" characters..... in general anyways.
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Posted: 12-May-2010 at 6:09pm |
DC earth is different from Marvel earth in a number of ways, not the least of which is that even non-powered superheroes are much stronger physically than the Marvel heroes. For example, Batman is above Daredevil in strength and is supposed to be the equal of Captain America in strength, agility, fighting prowess, speed all without the Super-Soldier formula and without all the decades of training Cap has had.
I don't think many of the DC Heroes even fit onto the Marvel power scale, without being toned down (Flash, Supes, WW, etc). Superman once stated to Thor that while Thor was a "10", his dial number was "11" and then he decked Thor, knocking him out!
GL has one of the most powerful weapons in the universe and can do practically anything with it. Marvel doesn't really have an equivalent character. On the other hand, I believe Scarlet Witch is more powerful than Zatanna, Yellowjacket/Wasp would beat the Atom, and the Black Widow would best the Black Canary.
Still, overall, DC would probably win due to more super superheroes. 
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Posted: 13-May-2010 at 6:04pm |
I would have to agree that DC has some heroes that are definitely on another level. Superman being the main one but Flash and all the speedsters also fit that form. As well as the GL (and other lantern) Corp.
I personally found Marvel heroes more compelling in large part because of this so am not as knowledgeable on DC characters. But I still have some exceptions to a couple of things stated.
Its never said (that I can find) that batman is as strong as Captain America just that they are basically equals as far as fighting prowess. And actually Batman has had more time training than Cap seeing as he started at a younger age and didn’t spend years frozen in ice. Oh and Marvel does have its equal to GL, Quasar but admittedly he’s just one man verse an entire Corp.
BUT I still wouldn’t give the fight so easily to the DCU. Look both mulitverses have thousands of characters and races and planets ect, ect. But just talking mostly about the superheroes of both Earths Marvel does have some advantages. For instance, Brains. Look DC has some super smart superheroes but not even close to as many as Marvel and not as smart. Here’s my best example: Superman’s longest running adversary is Lex Luthor right and he is what? An evil genius, probably on par with say Dr. Doom. And that alone has made him one of superman’s hardest adversaries. Marvel can mach him in spades with Richards, Pym, Stark, Banner and on and on.
And then in the Mental powers category DC has? John Johns, anyone else? Who have they got that can stand up to Xavier, Rachel, Nate, Moondragon?
Also as Phoenixx9 brought up Magic I believe Marvel has the edge here.
And lastly there is that annoying little thing DC has traditionally done to give its Super Superheroes a plot device, Weaknesses. A little thing to bring Supes to his knees, I think the Marvel crew could take advantage of that.
And the last point I would make is that the Marvel heroes go against much tougher opposition on a regular basis in my opinion. Here’s my reasoning: What DC has done to its heroes Marvel has done to its villains just made them able to do everything. My example Magneto. He is the master of magnetism, very powerful as is, I mean to control one of the four fundamental forces of the universe. But that was not enough they also gave him the ability to control all metal (no its not the same power but that’s a discussion for another day). Most Marvel characters have even fought mavelised versions of the DC heroes.
For DC it seems they have to make evil versions of their superheroes to come up with good opponents for them. Bizaro, Sinestro, Reverse Flash.
Anyway in a battle royal if you got to pick say 20 DC superheroes I think I could pick 20 marvels and have at least a 50/50 shot or better.
But If its just the Whole DCU verses the whole MU I’ll take the Celestials and power cosmic Over the lords of Order and Chaos and Lanterns.
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Posted: 13-May-2010 at 7:29pm |
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Yeah, Norin could take pretty much any Lantern. :p
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Posted: 20-May-2010 at 4:48pm |
Originally posted by Sanokumo
I would have to agree that DC has some heroes that are definitely on another level. Superman being the main one but Flash and all the speedsters also fit that form. As well as the GL (and other lantern) Corp.
I personally found Marvel heroes more compelling in large part because of this so am not as knowledgeable on DC characters. But I still have some exceptions to a couple of things stated.
Its never said (that I can find) that batman is as strong as Captain America just that they are basically equals as far as fighting prowess. And actually Batman has had more time training than Cap seeing as he started at a younger age and didn’t spend years frozen in ice. Oh and Marvel does have its equal to GL, Quasar but admittedly he’s just one man verse an entire Corp.
BUT I still wouldn’t give the fight so easily to the DCU. Look both mulitverses have thousands of characters and races and planets ect, ect. But just talking mostly about the superheroes of both Earths Marvel does have some advantages. For instance, Brains. Look DC has some super smart superheroes but not even close to as many as Marvel and not as smart. Here’s my best example: Superman’s longest running adversary is Lex Luthor right and he is what? An evil genius, probably on par with say Dr. Doom. And that alone has made him one of superman’s hardest adversaries. Marvel can mach him in spades with Richards, Pym, Stark, Banner and on and on.
And then in the Mental powers category DC has? John Johns, anyone else? Who have they got that can stand up to Xavier, Rachel, Nate, Moondragon?
Also as Phoenixx9 brought up Magic I believe Marvel has the edge here.
Anyway in a battle royal if you got to pick say 20 DC superheroes I think I could pick 20 marvels and have at least a 50/50 shot or better. |
While my knowledge of the DC universe is much less than that of Marvel, which itself is limited, I do believe you stated some errors. There are indeed many differences between the Marvel characters and the DC ones. Marvel created their characters as humans/characters first, superpowers second. They made them 3-D with feelings and problems and lives. DC created its characters to be super, super, super. As time progressed, DC adapted and their characters also became multi-faceted. Both companies have many characters who are great and whom we love.
1) You are correct that it is never stated that Batman is as strong as Cap. However, Bullseye states that he thought Daredevil was strong and punched hard, but Bats was "so much stronger" (said by Bullsie after Bats decked him). We know DD can lift 450 lbs, so Bats strength is a good bit >450 lbs. Also, when sparring with someone, if one opponent is nowhere near the strength level, not only would the blows be little to worry about, but the blocks from the stronger opponent would totally throw the weaker one off balance as well as being painful to the weaker one. Bats and Cap appeared to be evenly matched with thrusts and parries. Bats has not had more time to train, unless you are pitting Cap against the Bats of 1939, who, if not dead, would hardly be an equal opponent, for as you state, he did not spend years in ice. If you mean the modern Bats, training time is approximately equal.
2) As far as "brains" goes, ALL of the "Marvel Family" (DC Marvel family, that is): Cap'n Marvel, Mary Marvel and CM3 are supposed to have superior intelligence (such as from Solomon for the boys). Black Adam also has this superior intellect from a different deity. Captain Comet also has increased intelligence. Wonder Woman has the wisdom of Athena. Superman has his super-brain, as does Supergirl and even Power Girl. Then there is also Owlman, Ultraman and Superwoman. Don't forget Brainiac!
3) DC telepaths: Saturn Girl, Saturn Queen, Tellus, Telepath, and Captain Comet just to name a few.
4) Quasar is not the equal to GL. GL is said to have one of, if not thee most powerful weapons in all the universe. I never heard that said of Quasars bands. Also, the bands cannot communicate with and give info to Quasar, like the GL ring. While the energy of the bands can be manipulated into many shapes/forms, I do not believe it is to the degree or to the strength of the emerald light. GL's ring is more and can do more than Quasar. Now, Photon or Silver Surfer are another matter and may be a match/superior to GL. And, as you said, there is also the matter of the GL Corps. So, I Dunno.
5) I don't believe Marvel would have better than a 50% chance over the DC characters in general. Maybe, if specific choices were made from Marvel Vs their DC "counterparts", it would be 50%. However, overall, DC's non-superpowered characters are generally more powerful, let alone the super powered supercharacters. But, superpowers is not why I love one character more than another. It may be an aspect, but it is not the sole or only reason why a character is great. Origin, hero/villain, supporting cast, character qualities such as personality and even team interaction all play vital roles.
Yes,  I like my DC and Marvel characters BOTH very much indeed!
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Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 6:54am |
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DC sucks (besides Batman) but, their characters are way more powerful.
Marvel wins 11 to 7
Superman over Thor Batman over Captain America Wonder Woman over She-Hulk Martian Manhunter over Vision Flash over Quicksilver Green Lantern over Iron Man Captain Marvel over Wonder Man
Namor over Aquaman Hulk over Captain Atom Wolverine over Lobo Hawkeye over Green arrow Scarlet Witch over Zatana The Wasp over Atom Black Widow over Black Canary Falcon over Hawkman Black Panther over Blue Beetle Tigra over the Huntress War Machine over Steel
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Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 1:09pm |
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DC magic is also stronger than Marvel magic. But Marvel martial artists are better than DC martial artists. I'd put Zatana over Scarlet Witch. Lobo would also likely beat Wolverine just because Lobo is a parody of a parody, and can regenerate from a drop of his own blood. He can also survive in space unaided. But those are just my opinions.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 3:56pm |
Originally posted by EphemeristX
DC magic is also stronger than Marvel magic. But Marvel martial artists are better than DC martial artists. I'd put Zatana over Scarlet Witch. Lobo would also likely beat Wolverine just because Lobo is a parody of a parody, and can regenerate from a drop of his own blood. He can also survive in space unaided. But those are just my opinions. |
...and Captain America over Batman, Wonder Man over Captain Marvel, Hawkman over Falcon...
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Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 5:28pm |
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I'd say a fairer match would be Captain Marvel and Thor. Both magically powered transformative super beings with lightning motifs.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 8:04pm |
But, CM's lightning is only to transform him into his super-powered form. Thor's lightning does not transform him. Thor's control of the weather is magical, not the weather (lightning you mention) itself.
Wonder Man, unlike Thor, can fly, just like CM. Neither WM nor CM use a weapon, like Thor does. So, I think Wondy Vs CM is a fair match.
Using Thor to battle Superman is a better match-up, because the ole Thunderer will need every edge he can get and still lose to Supes!
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Posted: 09-Jun-2010 at 2:20am |
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Here's how the fight goes:
Zatanna walks out and says, "!Seinnub otni nrut enoyreve"
The end.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2010 at 5:51am |
I dont think that just because Lobo has the regeneration thing to the max that he would still beat Wolvie... they both do the same thing and Wolvie does it the best. He's more skilled not just a brawler.
We've seen of late that Thor has held back in the past and to go up against Superman is a good match. Sentury was more powerful than the man of steel and Thor took him out. Thor is a god not just a powerful alian.
I'd also put Hawkman over Falcon, Freen arrow over Hawkeye cause of his various special arows that he makes more use of than HE. And Ironman could pull one of those "i can only do it one time" things and wearout GL's power levels.
I"d like Marvel to win cause they're better, cooler, deeper characters, but DC are all so powered up.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2010 at 4:29pm |
Lobo also has vast super-human strength and durability on his side; at one time he was tauted as being stronger than Wonder Woman. Logan would not win against anyone with those powers.
Dispite Thor "holding back", in two handbook entries, he is listed as lifting "100 tons", not over 100 tons. A while back, Superman was listed as minimum 200 tons. Also, Superman has lifted entire cruise ships out of the water, carried airplanes and space ships and also moved planets! Talk about holding back!!!
Hawkeye also uses many trick/special arrows and was trained by someone named "Trickshot". Perhaps you are referencing that you haven't seen Hawkeye use quite so many special arrows recently. Also, if Hawkeye performs special feats with only basic arrows, wouldn't that make him at least the equal, if the not the superior, to someone who does similar things with special arrows??
This post is for who is more powerful/would win in a fight, not based on their personalities, preferences or cool factor. DC has long been known for having Super Super Heroes (and Heroines, too), while Marvel is known for their character depths and "real-life" problems, as I stated earlier. DC has for a long time now added to their character depths and "real-life" problems, seeing as how readers appreciate that.
However, based solely on powers/abilities/special talents and pure physical strength, it seems many DC characters do outpower their Marvel counterparts. And that's OK, because fans of Marvel still love Marvel characters! We don't love them because they are the strongest, that may just happen to be a quality they possess; we love them for who they are and what they do. Likewise, DC fans love their DC characters! We love them because of who they are and what they do. Because they are more powerful than a different universe's Marvelous heroes is just a quality they possess. 
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Posted: 16-Jul-2010 at 7:44pm |
Originally posted by Phoenixx9
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4) Quasar is not the equal to GL. GL is said to have one of, if not thee most powerful weapons in all the universe. I never heard that said of Quasars bands. Also, the bands cannot communicate with and give info to Quasar, like the GL ring. While the energy of the bands can be manipulated into many shapes/forms, I do not believe it is to the degree or to the strength of the emerald light. GL's ring is more and can do more than Quasar. Now, Photon or Silver Surfer are another matter and may be a match/superior to GL. And, as you said, there is also the matter of the GL Corps. So, I Dunno.  |
You shouldn't argue about something you don't know about. The GL rings are powered by the green living emotional spectrum of the universe, but the Quantum Bands draws from the Quantum Zone, the source of all potential energy of the entire universe. Unlike the GL rings, the Quantum Bands needs no recharging. And one of Quasar's standard OP is draining energy. GLs can't do the same to him because his power source is unlimited.
While the Quantum Bands aren't in the top three, they are in the top 10 or so. That's because the rest of the list include items like the Heart of the Universe, Infinity Gauntlet, and Cosmic Cubes. Those also make the power rings seem like toys.
The bands don't communicate with Quasar like the power rings, but it doesn't need to because it can bestow limited cosmic awareness. Cosmic awareness is practically omniscience. Quasar can learn just about anything he needs to about the power rings by focusing on them even without encountering them before. I assume the only reason this is limited is so the Q Bands don't drive their users crazy by information overload.
At one time, when Quasar and Silver Surfer were battling it out for the fate of the Nexus of Realities, Quasar was winning. He only loses because he throws the fight.
So Quasar stomps most of the Green Lanterns, wins against top-tiers like Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner by attrition, and stalemates those bonded to Ion.
Edited by PsychoPowerJ - 16-Jul-2010 at 8:01pm
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Posted: 16-Jul-2010 at 8:02pm |
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You could explain the other side without sounding condescending or turning it into a personal attack. We try to be civil here on UXN.
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DC might win, but that's why they are lame. How can a character such as Superman be appealing when he is that powerful? I like my character's powers to be somewhat limited. Marvel wins for better characters.
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I don't know why everone assumes these would be a unamious victory to either side, I think if all the heroes from both worlds fought the battle would be a tremendous cluster f**k, last days if not weeks, destroy both worlds and leave whatever survivors regretting it.
Edited by Wolfthomas - 05-Aug-2010 at 8:40am
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Originally posted by Ciel
You could explain the other side without sounding condescending or turning it into a personal attack. We try to be civil here on UXN.
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I'm not trying to be rude. Just pointing out faulty logic. I apologize if it comes off that way.
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Originally posted by Ciel
Originally posted by PsychoPowerJ
You shouldn't argue about something you don't know about. |
You could explain the other side without sounding condescending or turning it into a personal attack. We try to be civil here on UXN.
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Thanks, Ciel. Nubies don't know how we roll here on UXN. 
No, psychopower, you were being rude.
And I was not arguing, just stating fact.
And my logic is not faulty.
You may choose to disagree with things on here but you should respect all posters.
Peace out! 
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Posted: 05-Aug-2010 at 11:06pm |
Originally posted by Chazwinski
Here's how the fight goes:
Zatanna walks out and says, "!Seinnub otni nrut enoyreve"
The end. |
Pfffff. And the Scarlet Bitch goes : no more ... DC!
Yeah. Lame, i know. But someone got to say it. ;-)
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The problem I have with this argument is that DC and Marvel are known for completely different things. DC is all about their heroes being the mightiest. They have few flaws in concept, and their weaknesses are either things created for that character specifically (Superman vs kryptonite, for example). Marvel is known for their characters having flaws. Their flaws make the characters better, and make their stories more interesting because of the obstacles they must over come just in order to even get to the point where they can fight crime and evil.
In my opinion Marvel wins hands down based on relatability. f**k who is or isn't more powerful.
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