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    Posted: 08-May-2010 at 9:31pm
Psycicisists usually agree that if a fyling character caught a falling civillian in mid-air, the civillian would probably suffer the same or more damge from the abrupt save than by becoming street pizza. Are there any comic book explanitions that circumvent real life physics in these instances?
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I think there were stories that hinted at/mentioned the possibility that Gwen Stacy actually died because of Spider-Man catching her with a web-line, and the catch being that abrupt that her head swung back, snapping her neck.
 
Usually, though, the flying (or in Spider-Man's case, swinging) hero catches a person from the side and just redirects the downward momentum in a curve to a side/upward motion until the velocity decreases. Or if a hero dives after a civilian they actually fly next to them, match the speed, grab them and then slowly decrease their speed.
 
And those times it isn't shown or outright states, it happens in between the panels. :-)
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  Quote Archangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2010 at 7:05am
I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue.   Is this true?
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  Quote sixhoursoflucy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2010 at 7:12am
Originally posted by Archangel

I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue.   Is this true?
It's in the original version of the issue.
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  Quote Archangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2010 at 9:26am
I thought it sounded like an odd thing to change.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2010 at 8:37pm
Yeah, they straight out said that Pete accidentally killed her while trying to save her.
 
A lot of the time the catch is accompanied by an "oof" sort of sound effeect intended to represent the person being saved getting the wind knocked out of them.

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  Quote Wendigo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2010 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by Peter Luzifer

I think there were stories that hinted at/mentioned the possibility that Gwen Stacy actually died because of Spider-Man catching her with a web-line, and the catch being that abrupt that her head swung back, snapping her neck.
 
Usually, though, the flying (or in Spider-Man's case, swinging) hero catches a person from the side and just redirects the downward momentum in a curve to a side/upward motion until the velocity decreases. Or if a hero dives after a civilian they actually fly next to them, match the speed, grab them and then slowly decrease their speed.
 
And those times it isn't shown or outright states, it happens in between the panels. :-)
 
Marvel Team-Up #57 is a great example of what Peter is talking about. In that issue, Spidey and the Black Widow battle it out with the Silver Samurai. On two pages, it shows Spidey saving a man from falling off a building and how he did it without hurting him. There was also a reference to Gwen Stacy in that issue where it weighed heavily on Spidey's mind and that he didn't want history to repeat itself.
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  Quote --D. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2010 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by sixhoursoflucy

Originally posted by Archangel

I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue.   Is this true?
It's in the original version of the issue.


It's addressed in Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed, here:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/03/16/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-42/

It is original, though Stan Lee was somewhat uncomfortable with it.  But Peter broke her neck by catching her. 

RE: the OP --

As others have said, you have to assume the momentum of the falling body is diverted, rather than abruptly stopped. 
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  Quote VivaCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-May-2010 at 2:30am
That doesn't solve the problem of someone on the ground catching a falling person and having everything work out fine. Unless the catcher did a squat during the catch, but timing is everything.
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-May-2010 at 2:48am
Landing in someone's arms is like landing on a foam pad, it might hurt but not as much as going splat.

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  Quote Cyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jun-2010 at 9:39pm
If the Thing was standing on street level and caught someone who fell outta building, that person's momentum would be transferred into the Thing instead of the sidewalk, so what's the difference? (That may even be worse given the Thing's indestructable hide)

Same problem I have with Nightcrawler catching someone in mid-fall and 'porting them 'safely' back down to the ground. Problem is, that person would still have the same momentum when they arrived. So how does Kurt prevent them from going splat?
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  Quote attagirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2010 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by Cyke

If the Thing was standing on street level and caught someone who fell outta building, that person's momentum would be transferred into the Thing instead of the sidewalk, so what's the difference? (That may even be worse given the Thing's indestructable hide)

Same problem I have with Nightcrawler catching someone in mid-fall and 'porting them 'safely' back down to the ground. Problem is, that person would still have the same momentum when they arrived. So how does Kurt prevent them from going splat?


I'm pretty sure Kurt catching the falling person would slow down that person's momentum.
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  Quote mutant: overload Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jul-2010 at 4:56pm
I'm almost certain I've read something about Nightcrawler shedding momentum through rapid teleports, though I'm not sure of the science behind it.

Edited by mutant: overload - 12-Jul-2010 at 4:57pm
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  Quote marhawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2010 at 4:54am
Kurt can teleport to be upside down.  Thus the momentum the person had would be redirected to act counter to gravity.

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