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EvilMonkeyPope
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Topic: catching falling civillians Posted: 08-May-2010 at 9:31pm |
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Psycicisists usually agree that if a fyling character caught a falling civillian in mid-air, the civillian would probably suffer the same or more damge from the abrupt save than by becoming street pizza. Are there any comic book explanitions that circumvent real life physics in these instances?
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Posted: 08-May-2010 at 9:48pm |
I think there were stories that hinted at/mentioned the possibility that Gwen Stacy actually died because of Spider-Man catching her with a web-line, and the catch being that abrupt that her head swung back, snapping her neck.
Usually, though, the flying (or in Spider-Man's case, swinging) hero catches a person from the side and just redirects the downward momentum in a curve to a side/upward motion until the velocity decreases. Or if a hero dives after a civilian they actually fly next to them, match the speed, grab them and then slowly decrease their speed.
And those times it isn't shown or outright states, it happens in between the panels. :-)
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Posted: 09-May-2010 at 7:05am |
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I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue. Is this true?
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Posted: 09-May-2010 at 7:12am |
Originally posted by Archangel
I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue. Is this true? |
It's in the original version of the issue.
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Posted: 09-May-2010 at 9:26am |
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I thought it sounded like an odd thing to change.
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Posted: 10-May-2010 at 8:37pm |
Yeah, they straight out said that Pete accidentally killed her while trying to save her.
A lot of the time the catch is accompanied by an "oof" sort of sound effeect intended to represent the person being saved getting the wind knocked out of them.
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Posted: 12-May-2010 at 4:50pm |
Originally posted by Peter Luzifer
I think there were stories that hinted at/mentioned the possibility that Gwen Stacy actually died because of Spider-Man catching her with a web-line, and the catch being that abrupt that her head swung back, snapping her neck.
Usually, though, the flying (or in Spider-Man's case, swinging) hero catches a person from the side and just redirects the downward momentum in a curve to a side/upward motion until the velocity decreases. Or if a hero dives after a civilian they actually fly next to them, match the speed, grab them and then slowly decrease their speed.
And those times it isn't shown or outright states, it happens in between the panels. :-) |
Marvel Team-Up #57 is a great example of what Peter is talking about. In that issue, Spidey and the Black Widow battle it out with the Silver Samurai. On two pages, it shows Spidey saving a man from falling off a building and how he did it without hurting him. There was also a reference to Gwen Stacy in that issue where it weighed heavily on Spidey's mind and that he didn't want history to repeat itself.
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Posted: 19-May-2010 at 11:26pm |
Originally posted by sixhoursoflucy
Originally posted by Archangel
I heard a rumor that the "SNAP!" effect that accompanied Gwen's fall was only added to reprints of Amazing Spider-Man #121 and not in the original issue. Is this true? | It's in the original version of the issue.
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It's addressed in Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed, here: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/03/16/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-42/ It is original, though Stan Lee was somewhat uncomfortable with it. But Peter broke her neck by catching her. RE: the OP -- As others have said, you have to assume the momentum of the falling body is diverted, rather than abruptly stopped.
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Posted: 21-May-2010 at 2:30am |
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That doesn't solve the problem of someone on the ground catching a falling person and having everything work out fine. Unless the catcher did a squat during the catch, but timing is everything.
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Posted: 21-May-2010 at 2:48am |
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Landing in someone's arms is like landing on a foam pad, it might hurt but not as much as going splat.
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Posted: 13-Jun-2010 at 9:39pm |
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If the Thing was standing on street level and caught someone who fell outta building, that person's momentum would be transferred into the Thing instead of the sidewalk, so what's the difference? (That may even be worse given the Thing's indestructable hide)
Same problem I have with Nightcrawler catching someone in mid-fall and 'porting them 'safely' back down to the ground. Problem is, that person would still have the same momentum when they arrived. So how does Kurt prevent them from going splat?
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Posted: 15-Jun-2010 at 11:30pm |
Originally posted by Cyke
If the Thing was standing on street level and caught someone who fell outta building, that person's momentum would be transferred into the Thing instead of the sidewalk, so what's the difference? (That may even be worse given the Thing's indestructable hide)
Same problem I have with Nightcrawler catching someone in mid-fall and 'porting them 'safely' back down to the ground. Problem is, that person would still have the same momentum when they arrived. So how does Kurt prevent them from going splat?
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I'm pretty sure Kurt catching the falling person would slow down that person's momentum.
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Posted: 12-Jul-2010 at 4:56pm |
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I'm almost certain I've read something about Nightcrawler shedding momentum through rapid teleports, though I'm not sure of the science behind it.
Edited by mutant: overload - 12-Jul-2010 at 4:57pm
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Posted: 13-Jul-2010 at 4:54am |
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Kurt can teleport to be upside down. Thus the momentum the person had would be redirected to act counter to gravity.
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