"Song of Ice and Fire" Discussions

Am I one of the only people that truly enjoys Ser Jorah Mormont in the series of books?  I find myself rooting for both him and Tyrion more than most other characters in the novels.  Color me surprised when the two actually...SPOILERS!



Linked up in the latest book.   They were my favorite chapters to read.

Hmmm...I'm not sure about this. It sounds like peasanty northern food but I'd prefer sumptuous King's Landing food. Are you going?

I root for the cunning characters over the noble ones. The Boltons are great because they're so devious & pragmatic. Ramsay pretending to be Reek was second to Roose's betrayl at the Red Wedding on the scale of cool plot twists. Instead of protracting the civil war based on oaths originated by their forefathers, they had the good sense to sell out to the Lannisters. They went from being mere bannermen to one of the most important houses. Rather than hiding being heraldic pretense, their sigil is up front about them being the family that flays together. Instead of being punks that get knocked down immediately after their coup like Theon, they seem to have staying power. So far Roose has even survived the curse of Harrenhal! They have an interesting family dynamic with Roose having a repressed sociopathy akin to Machivelli trying to rein in son's liberal sadism.

I borrowed all the books from my local library so I'm not good with specifics like that offhand.

Edited by EvilMonkeyPope - 26-Apr-2013 at 4:29am

HBO isn't going to wait for Martin to finish the books first.

Bad news on the author front. I attended a convention at Texas A&M University a couple weeks ago and George R.R. Martin was the guest of honor. He did a Q&A where very little useful SoIaF information was revealed. I took the opportunity to ask him a question that I probably could have phrased better. I asked with his work on the show and his popularity having exploded, how does he schedule his time and do the show makers pressure him to finish the books, possibly putting a tiny bit too much emphasis on the last three words. I felt like a bit of a jerk when everyone laughed and you could tell the question unsettled him.

However, from his answer we were able to get a bit of an idea as to his schedule over the next few years. Anyone who has any hope of him even starting to write the books in the next couple years best squash it. While nothing is definitive it sounds like he is very backed up in projects and appearances for up until almost 2017! He said he won't get the kind of time he really wants to work on his books until his project load lightens. Again nothing is definitive but it looks like we are definitely in for the long haul. Here's to hoping the show can make the book content hold out for at least another 4 years.

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope Does anyone understand why Vargo Hoat unhanded Jamie? Why did he expect the Lannisters to be cool with this?

Hoat switched sides to the Starks (through Roose Bolton), before he realised Roose was likely going to turn coat and/or abandon him at Harrenhal. Maiming Jaime was a last ditch attempt to burn Roose's just begining brides with the Lannisters. But it didn't work.

Edit: Also he is a vicious piece of work and not very clever.

Edited by Wolfthomas - 01-Apr-2013 at 10:04am

I tend to think that Robb's stupid marriage works better in the book, because he is so much younger, than on the television show, where convention forced the aging of the characters. I just have a really hard time accepting that adult Robb would be so incredibly insanely stupid to break his word without him being a hormone-infested adolescent trying to play at being a man. Even Paul Atreides wasn't that dumb.

But EMP, while I agree Cat letting Jayme go was stupid, it wouldn't have caused the Red Wedding if Robb had married a Frey like he was supposed to. Sure it sucks, but it was honorable, his duty, and his promise. He was too young to lead, though, really.

I think Sansa could still warg but she just hasn't tried after the horrific execution of Lady. When Arya warged into Nymeria, Nymeria thinks about her "silent brother." I thought she was referring to Ghost & Jon Snow, as Jon might not be able to warg because he doesn't have a mix of Stark & Tully genes. It seems, however, that Jon can warg into Ghost to some degree. So did Nymeria just mean that Ghost is mute or unable to communicate telepathically with the rest of his siblings? I'm going to start calling Joffrey, Tommen, & Myrcella the Purratheons.

Edited by EvilMonkeyPope - 28-Mar-2013 at 2:27am

Catlyn letting Jamie go was a colossal mistake. It was an emotional choice that didn't take the tactical consquences into account. He was the best leverage the Starks had. It caused the Karstarks to break ranks & probably disillusioned more of his bannermen. With Jamie no longer a hostage, it allowed Tywin the opportunity spring the Red Wedding upon the northern forces. It's not as if Tywin's penchant for merciless lateral thinking was unkown throughout the realm.

I just started my reread of DwD! I can't wait to discuss.

Davos is awesome and apparently so is the actor who plays him on the show. I listened to his commentary track and it was hilarious. He and the actress who plays Mellisandre are apparently friends who've worked together before(and after the "Shadow Birth" scene, I'm sure they're really close) and they're both just cracking jokes the whole time.

Lena Heady and Peter Dinklage are also apparently VERY close. Peter was the one who convinced Lena to take the role of Cersei.




Edited by XtremeOne1 - 13-Mar-2013 at 7:58pm