"Song of Ice and Fire" Discussions

Originally posted by courier Danny, Agon, Victorian, Jon Snow, Arriane, Tyrion, Bran, Sansa, Rickon, and Arya are the major players in the game of thrones.

Does everyone underestimate the cunning, unscrupulous mind of a certain man currently at the Eyrie? I have my own theory of who may outlast everyone else in the "game"... and I can't think of anyone who likes him.

I can't say I like him, but I do think he is the most adept at playing the game.

I'm still in the middle of Dragons, so my story isn't complete.  The Greyjoys are really interesting characters, although I'm not particularly attached to any of them. Asha recently caught my interest when she realized that she could alter the results of the Kingsmoot since Theon is flayed, but alive.  The House is a good look at the underdogs in the series. They aren't as horrid as the Freys, but they are another House that was relatively dumped on by the other "kingdoms".

I can't imagine that anybody likes the Freys.  I have a love/hate relationship with most of the houses, except for the Starks, Martells, and Targaryens. I actually don't loathe the Lannisters. In fact, I even like Jaime and Tyrion, and couldn't help but admire Cersei's capablitities until Feast for Crows.

Catlyn can't be held accountable for starting the war. That is totally absurd. I really thought the audience was upset with her for how she treats Jon Snow. Her release of Jaime was a point where I thought she was overstepping her role, but I understood her motivation.

I love the Greyjoys LOL, I'm probably the only one who does. Asha I find really compelling, because she is really truly the only warrior woman in the books with any spunk. I mean I love Brienne, but she has this woe is me, I'm so ugly attitude that drags me down sometimes. If you have read through Dance with Dragons there is this really cool scene between her and the She-Bear, Alysane Mormount, the two most badass women in the books.

And then I just love the culture of the Iron Islands They are little more than Vikings, I tend to really love seafaring violent cultures lol. Aeron Damphair, that scene where they are drowning their warriors, and if they come back alive awesome, if not - too bad they were weak. "That which is already dead cannot die." I love it! They make great villains IMO.

I agree Victarion is probably not the best PoV character, and I feel like that's why some people don't like them. I'd rather they focus on Damphair. But that's not the way Martin chose to take his story so oh well. I get the feeling whern Damphair comes back it will be an "Oh S#$^" moment though.

Edited by Anna Raven - 29-Mar-2012 at 8:16pm

Originally posted by Savant I can't see blaming Catelyn for starting the war. I loved her and hated her from the beginning for how she treated Jon Snow b/c she was so believable. Her release of Jaime did seem a bit much but she was a woman on the breaking point, mourning the loss of her her sons - I don't think we really get how broken she was until the Red Wedding b/c her narratives were still fairly rational but the loss of Ned and then her children really did destroy her.   Sansa is an evolving character that I too think will surprise people. The prediction about Cersei losing her power due to a younger, more beautiful queen made me think of Sansa, not Margaery.   I am working my way through Feast for Crows right now so probably haven't read enough to weigh in but so far the Greyjoys don't really interest me.  I thought Theon went from amusing to a complete bastard pretty quickly, which was fun I suppose to read, but he doesn't feel all that important.   Feast for Crows is a really tough book to get through, so different from the previous one, which I thought was amazing. My heart breaks for Gilly and for the first time I really dislike Jon Snow.

Yeah I don't agree with that Cat is responsible for the war...It's just why a lot of fans hate her. I never really disliked her, in her treatment of Jon. Come on, it has to be tough to have your husband's bastard son living with you. Jon also threatened her own children's claim to Winterfell. He represented so many negative things...

I don't think Dany is the "younger more beautiful Queen", because it's more a self-fulfilling prophecy. I really do think it will be Sansa...

Not all prophecies can refer to Dany, haha. She has enough already.

Also I still like show Dany better then book Dany, especially after book 5 haha. Though in book 5 is when I like Dany the most(mostly thanks to Emilia Clarke...)

Edited by XtremeOne1 - 29-Mar-2012 at 8:17pm

Medium you don't have to worry, spoilers don't bother me.

As far as the Greyjoys go, they are one of the most dysfunctional families in the entire series with the exception of the Lannisters. I absolutely hate Theon. I have heard a lot of people sympathize with how he was treated and I also think the show has tried to put him in a slightly more sympathetic light by showing how much of an outsider he felt with the Starks; but I just could not forgive him for betraying them and killing the household members (people he had known since childhood). For some reason it hit some nerve in me and I find him despicable despite the fact that he was mistreated by both Starks and Greyjoys. Victarion is scary...he commits heinous acts in the name of honor. It's scary because he's so convinced that he's right that he doesn't feel bad about anything he does. I think Euron suffers from madness, "Damphair" is just nutso fanatic and creepy.
Oh, and I love love love Asha! She has some of the best comebacks and quips in the series. She's a "guy's type of girl". You know, the kind that really understands men, what makes them tick, and uses it to her advantage... plus, I think she likes men as well. In a way, she's the opposite of Cersei...instead of being jealous that she wasn't born a man, Asha is happy to be a woman and can wrap men around her finger without really trying. She's that girl that all of the boys were ok with letting into their clubhouse, if you know what I mean.


Edited by Chazwinski - 14-Apr-2012 at 1:30am

I just finished A Dance With Dragons this weekend.  I'm sad to realize that I don't have any other books to get into immediately.   I'm quite struck with Daenerys in this book, as it as the name suggests, about her. I liked her journey here because sometimes she needs more humanizing moments.  More than anything, I'm loving the mental image of Daenerys I have at the end of her chapter. The deaths at the end of the books are ripe for twists and turns and consequences.  I also love how Bran's story has unfolded and the potential access to information he has acquired.  Maybe even in Westeros, truth will be the daughter of time.

Just started book three..I can see why people love these so much. Book two was awesome. I am really liking Varys; his and Tyrion's scenes in book two were my favorite. And I really do enjoy Sansa's chapters, though I feel like Cersei is the most unlikable witch in the books I have ever read. Starting book three has really made me dislike Jaime, too, even though I liked him before, because of how he treats Brienne.

I'm glad someone else enjoys Sansa. I get criticized for it since everyone constantly says "You're so feminist, how do you like HER?" which completely misses the point. She's interesting, she's got a unique perspective, and I think she grows so much each book. Tyrion is great, but he's always sassy and smart; Arya's great, but she's always stubborn and tough; Sansa grows up and learns a lot and develops into a stronger character in every chapter, even if she is frustrating. Plus she has to deal with a lot of crap that people don't give her credit for because they're too busy focusing on how overly proper and "weak" she is.

I love the Sansa character. She is the most realistic of the bunch. I love Arya but she just isn't very realistic. But Sansa is the product of her environment and feels like an organic teenager.

And for those who call her weak, like medium said, Sansa would have taken Joffery to his death if she had not been stopped by the hound. Actually Sansa would have taken them to their her deaths. And that's pretty brave if you ask me.