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Topic: UNX Book Club: The Voyage of the "Dawn Treader" Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 5:41am |
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Like The Odyssey crossed with Se7en, this voyage through
the outskirts of Narnia pits the two youngest Pevensie children and
their obnoxious cousin Eustace against temptations of the flesh and
exposes them to others who didn't fare so well. In fact, I'm surprised
C.S. Lewis chose to make a reference to Ulysses and the sirens at the end,
considering the rest of the book paid homage to that story.
It's almost like breaking the fourth wall; it's like when Jubilee fell in love with Robin during the Marvel vs. DC crossover.
Basically, this is a direct sequel to Prince Caspian, which the UNX Book
Club read over a year ago (my, how time flies in Narnia). Prince Caspian must
track down the seven (!) lost lords of Narnia, who defected during his
wicked Uncle Miraz's reign, or something. Their travels bring them across an island of
slaves (retreading a theme from A Horse and His Boy, which was
published later, I believe), to an island chock-full of enchanted gold that
turns its bearers into dragons, a tempting pond that turns its occupants into gold, a tower of tempting spells, a Stone Dagger that enchants its wrathful bearers into endless slumber, and a land
in which dreams literally come true -- to frightening effect. There's
also a bit of lust thrown in there, with our heroes discovering an
underwater society of sexy sea people. And, furthering the Se7en comparison, the book ends with a
riveting finale in which Edmund finds Lucy's head in a box.
Okay, maybe it's not a perfect fit, but themes of sin and temptation prevail, namely their ability to pull a traveler off of his or her path. The island of actualized dreams in particular reminded me of Lewis's description of Hell in The Great Divorce; it's a place where people get what they want and are fine with it, albeit slightly miserable, even if they can't admit it. There was a bit more despair in this book, but overall, this theme we see here is that succumbing to temptation generally makes one feel bad. My favorite portion of the book has to be when Lucy reads the book of magic spells and chooses to eavesdrop on her friends -- and hears some things she wishes she hadn't in the process.
And, for those who try to ignore the Christian imagery in these books, Eustace is literally thrown into a pond by Aslan at one point in this book and emerges as a better person. I liked Eustace; he filled the gaping, antagonistic void left in Edmund's wake.
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also chuckled at Lewis's mockery of "progressive" parenting, embodied
by Eustace's "very up-to-date and advanced" parents. Say what you will about Lewis, but the dude deserves props for making fun of vegetarianism way back in 1952. Dude was definitely
ahead of his time.
Edited by sixhoursoflucy - 10-Nov-2010 at 6:04am
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Magnetolives2
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Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 11:13pm |
Originally posted by sixhoursoflucy
...the book ends with a
riveting finale in which Edmund finds Lucy's head in a box... Say what you will about Lewis, but the dude deserves props for making fun of vegetarianism way back in 1952. Dude was definitely
ahead of his time.
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 These made me laugh aloud, particularly the first one.
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Posted: 12-Nov-2010 at 9:32am |
This book was both shorter and longer than I remembered. It was shorter in that I seemed to remember the second half being much longer. It was longer in that I seemed to remember the first half being much shorter. I think this says more about the different elements of the story being more memorable than others-I remembered the dragon bit, but didn't remember the dreams bit.
I haven't yet closely looked at the seven uncles' initial fate, but it wouldn't surprise me to be able to find a Christian imagery reading in there similar to what six found. However, the imagery was, to me, less obvious that The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe.
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Posted: 12-Nov-2010 at 9:46pm |
Originally posted by sixhoursoflucy
And, for those who try to ignore the Christian imagery in these books, Eustace is literally thrown into a pond by Aslan at one point in this book and emerges as a better person.
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I have read this book numerous times and read your post at least 5 times, and I was trying to figure out what this was referring to. It finally clicked, I think. You are referring to baptism, right?
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Posted: 13-Nov-2010 at 3:37am |
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Hello again fellow book clubbers! Evan, I loved The Great Divorce by Lewis! Mostly because it's the best description of Heaven (and Hell) that I've read so far from a Christian, being much more exciting than the normal boring place that many Christians describe it to be. (playing harps all day long and sitting on clouds comes to mind) The absence of fulfillment and joy in Hell (which is on Earth in The Great Divorce) was also very striking and realistic. More on TVOTDT later..
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Posted: 13-Nov-2010 at 5:02pm |
This is the book where I really lose my interest in the series. First, the real heroine Susan is mostly missing. We get the narrator's vain attempts at character assassination suggesting that she is stupid in that neo-patriarchal "she's not any good at school, send the boy Peter to get edumacated!" and we see the trend of girls being judged by, and obsessed with, external appearances. Lucy not caring about the harms caused by beauty is just foreshadowing for the plot of a later book and illustrates how quickly she is willing to turn on her sister out of spite. But it is telling that she is out globetrotting and gaining multicultural experience while Peter's stuck learning what he's told to learn and the little ones continue to get into trouble, the little scamps.
The religious imagery and symbolism lack any attempt at subtlety. imo. In addition to the baptism of Eustace, the poor man's Edward (could also be viewed as a sort of born again Christian metaphor, but in either case he needs Christ/Aslan to force the transformation and cannot achieve it alone), we have the pilgrimage, and in case you didn't catch it the first time, the Aslan is Jesus confirmation. Reepicheep and Eustace feel a bit like Elijah/Elisha to me, with Reepicheep's departure in particular resonating with OT verse, but that similarity might have been unintended.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2010 at 8:06pm |
Originally posted by Savant
This is the book where I really lose my interest in the series. First, the real heroine Susan is mostly missing. |
I don't think I agree with most of your points, but this...and pardon my French, but how the &*#@ do you arrive at the conclusion that Susan is the series' "real heroine"? Holy crap. Victimize, much?
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Posted: 13-Nov-2010 at 8:26pm |
Originally posted by Magnetolives2
Originally posted by Savant
This is the book where I really lose my interest in the series. First, the real heroine Susan is mostly missing. |
I don't think I agree with most of your points, but this...and pardon my French, but how the &*#@ do you arrive at the conclusion that Susan is the series' "real heroine"? Holy crap. Victimize, much?
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I really don't understand your comment. Do you think that I am victimizing Susan? I don't understand how calling her the heroine would victimize her. Perhaps you think I am victimizing myself, though I fail to understand how that makes sense, unless you are referring to the fact that I skimmed this book over for this discussion, in which case you may be correct. If you think I'm victimizing you, the reader of my posts, then perhaps the answer is to not read any further? Unless you have sadomasochistic tendencies, in which case, enjoy!
If you do not agree with the contention that Susan is the "real heroine" of the series, then perhaps you can begin your disagreement by being a bit more substantitive and a bit less emotional, because while I speak French almost fluently, "how the &*#@" is certainly up to interpretation. Susan has many of the hallmarks of the traditional heroine in fantasy literature - she is physically beautiful, she is openly admired by those who know her, she is brave, empathetic, she is present from the very start of the series, she arguably undergoes the greatest transformation during the course of the series, even isolating herself from her siblings... I could go on and on.
If you think Susan isn't the "real heroine," then who would you argue is the "real heroine." Certainly not Jill Pole, she hasn't even been introduced yet and only appears in 2 books (avoiding spoilers here). And certainly not Lucy, whining, unattractive, vain, annoying... I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, as a young girl first reading this series, the only female character I could identify with throughout the series was Susan and self-centered and arguably delusional Lucy did not win me over with her cute precociousness. Or perhaps you simply think there is no real heroine, which doesn't say much for the series, does it?
But perhaps you can articulate some reasons why I might rethink my point of view?
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Posted: 15-Nov-2010 at 7:38am |
I pretty much agree with Savant. This book also manages to be one of the most boring, and continues to judge females on their appearances. Caspian's instant feelings for his star-bride are never considered shallow, though Susan's desires for parties and social life are considered frivolous in later books. Also, Caspian goes from being a rather rebellious and adventurous young man in his own story to becoming a rather bland character in this installment of the series.
Religious imagery aside, Aslan is ridiculous in this book, becoming the answer to all their problems, a theme for the series. A deus ex machina, Lewis's Jesus-lion takes away all real choice from the characters and all the excitement or unpredictability from the reader at the same time. I remember why I never enjoyed these over other novels as a child. I really reccommend we read The Prydain Chronicles in tandem with these to highlight the differences.
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Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 10:48pm |
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I'm glad Milkshake brought up free will. I agree, Aslan is too active to allow any real choice among the heroes. From forcing Eustace's transformation to stopping Lucy with his appearance, he's just too much in their faces to allow the sort of personal and spiritual growth that one might associate with the exercise of free will.
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Posted: 17-Nov-2010 at 12:41am |
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Or character development.
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Posted: 17-Nov-2010 at 11:14am |
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I had never thought of that before, but I can see what you both mean.
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