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  Quote UncannyScott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 6:15pm
He's part of the Summers/Gray clan, course he has issue lol. That incest line seems to be blurred at Marvel for some characters lol. Then again it was at DC too back in the really old days with a story about Supergirl setting up Superman with her older counterpart from an alternate reality. Apparently to some characters alternate reality incest is best.

Forgot about Wolfsbane and Elixir. Using her teacherly position to try and score some underage guy. Gotta watch out with some of these X-Men, not only do they send the kids out into life threatening battles they might start to hit on or fall for them too.
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  Quote Binaryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 7:31pm
Let's not forget Cannonball and Lila Cheney.  He was only 17 when they first met and she was already an inter-galactic pop star (mid-20s at best).
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  Quote Savant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 7:58pm

17 is legal in both Kentucky and New York. Are any of the relationship being discussed actually illegal?

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  Quote XtremeOne1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by Savant

17 is legal in both Kentucky and New York. Are any of the relationship being discussed actually illegal?



Well Piotr or Kitty would be frowned upon by most parents. I know if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her with an 18 year old Russian farm boy. Kitty and Wisdom would also be illegal if she was 16.

And incest is illegal right? Nate' and alt-Jean...welll you

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  Quote Savant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:31pm
Being frowned upon isn't the same as being illegal. They didn't sleep together. And pre-adolescents develop crushes on older teens all the time, it's not like Kitty developing a crush was in any way Earth-shattering.
 
The legality of incest is entirely dependent upon location. In some places, it's not illegal. In others, it's punishable by prison time, which is completely ridiculous. In New York, incest is illegal, but then so is adultery.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:33pm
I'm 100% Nate/Maddy is illegal...I mean if Rachel is considered Cable's sis,wouldn't Nate and Maddy be like Mother and son?

I'm not sure on foster kid laws,as pertaining to Amanda and Kurt.

Kitty was legal when she dated Pete Wisdom,he just gross anyway lol

Was Husk of legal age to be with Warren? I never thought about it.I just thought it was gross to do it in the air above your parents...

As for Kitty/Piotr I only questioned the legality because I thought he was an adult and she was 13. In Illinois two 17yr olds would go to jail for having sex together lol.

I'm not even going to touch the Legion or Ultimates 3 debacles...

So the questions are: can you have sex with your alternate reality clone mom and not be seen as having incest?

And what about with Betsy? She's in someone else's body having sex, is that sexual assault? No jokes,serious questions to think about...
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  Quote Savant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:43pm
You know who I find gross? Storm/Forge. What were they thinking? And Asian Psylocke and Warren. Plus Warren and Charlotte. Why couldn't Warren just stay with a good girl like Candy? Oh, and Bobby and Opal. YUCKY! And Hank and CeCe?? My god, what was Clairmont thinking?!!!?! So glad they let that die with The End. And now they have Cannonball kissing Moonstar, when she should really be with someone like Proudstar.
 
Oh, and Northstar and his boyfriend were "just gross anyway"!!! And did pink-haired Karma really need to show up with her girlfriend in that one X-factor issue? Let me see how many 'w's' I can add at the end of ew.  ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
Changing the title from inappropriate to illegal accomplished nothing. Sex laws are just the majority's ways of imposing their puritanical views about sex upon all.
 
And you're just incorrect, BC, about Nate/Maddy being illegal 100%. Some states don't make it illegal just as some countries do not. Nate/Maddy would not have been prosecuted in JanO's home country, for example, or in several other European nations.
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  Quote UncannyScott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:47pm
I believe with Husk and Angel she was stated to have been 18 or older by then. Her and Monet and Chamber were stated to be adult level near the time Gen X ended/ they showed up in Uncanny and such if I recall correctly. So while disturbing in their choice of sex spots, they were legal.

With Piotr and Kitty, they never had sex till Astonishing right? Cause he turned her down when they thought they would die from the Brood, then they broke up with that other woman thing from Secret Wars or such was it? Then she was with Wisdom and Piotr ended up with Acolytes, then he died, and came back. So while it would be frowned upon that a 13 year old was in a semi relationship (kissing and such) with an 18 year old they didn't actually have sex far as I recall. Most adults would warn them to knock it off cause it would be seen as wrong from certain moral areas.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 8:54pm
I'm 100% Nate/Maddy is illegal...I mean if Rachel is considered Cable's sis,wouldn't Nate and Maddy be like Mother and son?

I'm not sure on foster kid laws,as pertaining to Amanda and Kurt.

Kitty was legal when she dated Pete Wisdom,he just gross anyway lol

Was Husk of legal age to be with Warren? I never thought about it.I just thought it was gross to do it in the air above your parents...

As for Kitty/Piotr I only questioned the legality because I thought he was an adult and she was 13. In Illinois two 17yr olds would go to jail for having sex together lol.

I'm not even going to touch the Legion or Ultimates 3 debacles...

So the questions are: can you have sex with your alternate reality clone mom and not be seen as having incest?

And what about with Betsy? She's in someone else's body having sex, is that sexual assault? No jokes,serious questions to think about...
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  Quote courier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 9:54pm
Betsy, I say absolutely. I'm surprised she doesn't hate herself every time she looks in a mirror. I can't imagine whats its like to have someone else compliment her on her looks. It is emotionally damaging on an apocalyptic level.

I'm going to go ahead and say Siryn with Deadpool was wrong. Deadpool doesn't get romantically involved, just like Sabertooth doesn't. It seems very out of character for them.
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 10:03pm
That's an even deeper level I never thought about. Not even Claremont really examined how that must feel for her. I mean by now she's kinda used to it but when it first happened. I mean that has to totally eff with your head...
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  Quote XtremeOne1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 10:17pm
How about the maybe relationship between Daken and Human Torch. I'm not saying they had sex but Daken clearly used his powers on Johnny to make him care for him, at least it was implied in his book. If they had a sexual relationship, wouldn't that be rape?

And yeah, I never got how Betsy isn't damaged from losing her identity....

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 10:21pm
I mean it has to be. I mean Purple Man controlled Jessica Jones and it's implied that there were sexual something and that's considered rape. So anyone Daken has sex with by using his powers is like him slipping them a Ruffie...

So question then: Since Psylocke is using someone's else body if she has sex with a guy, is she raping their body? Or is it only the mind that counts?
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  Quote XtremeOne1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by Blackcyclops

I mean it has to be. I mean Purple Man controlled Jessica Jones and it's implied that there were sexual something and that's considered rape. So anyone Daken has sex with by using his powers is like him slipping them a Ruffie...

So question then: Since Psylocke is using someone's else body if she has sex with a guy, is she raping their body? Or is it only the mind that counts?


I don't think so. The thing is that it is Betsy's body now. Who it once belonged to is gone, her mind doesn't exist. Betsy's own body doesn't exist. So it isn't like she's controlling anyone or bending someone to her will, she makes her own choices, in the only body she has, which doesn't belong to anyone else...

If that makes sense.

Damn you Betsy Braddock..

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  Quote J-style Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 11:44pm
Illegal or not, Kurt's relationship with Amanda was very morbid and well...wrong. I have a foster sister since a couple of years and i consider her a part of my family now. But these two really grew up together and when it comes down to it, they were brother and sister in everything but blood. That's really, really disturbing.

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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2011 at 11:59pm
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Originally posted by Blackcyclops

I mean it has to be. I mean Purple Man controlled Jessica Jones and it's implied that there were sexual something and that's considered rape. So anyone Daken has sex with by using his powers is like him slipping them a Ruffie...

So question then: Since Psylocke is using someone's else body if she has sex with a guy, is she raping their body? Or is it only the mind that counts?


I don't think so. The thing is that it is Betsy's body now. Who it once belonged to is gone, her mind doesn't exist. Betsy's own body doesn't exist. So it isn't like she's controlling anyone or bending someone to her will, she makes her own choices, in the only body she has, which doesn't belong to anyone else...

If that makes sense.

Damn you Betsy Braddock..


Makes sense...still now that I think about the type of emotional agony she should be going through, no matter she likes slicing people up and sleeping with blue angels...
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  Quote courier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 12:38am
I think Betsy has taken ownership of her body since no one else has. I also think that complimenting her body is not the same as complimenting Betsy. Clearly no one is being forced into doing anything, so its not rape. All of that said, I think Betsy should be one messed up woman, and anyone who falls for her (thats Angel) would need to be equally messed up (Archangel).

I am sure we can come up with a perfectly good explanation for why this has never came up in the comic books.

On another note: A relationship that should never of happened:

Mystique disquised as specific character just to bang another character.Example: Turned into rogue to hook up with Gambit. I don't care what anyone says, Gambit definetly did the deed.

Side note: Can Mystique procreate in male form? if so that should be on here too


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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 1:33am
Well Mystique is interesting. On one hand she skews gender identity to a degree (can someone who changes their sexuality be labeled gay,straight, etc) and that's awesome. On the other hand she technically performs some sort of sexual assault when she has sex with someone under false pretense (if Mystique turned into Rogue and Gambit thought she was Rogue).

As for Psylocke and Warren, I mean every X-Man is so many different things of messed up but yes Psylocke has to have identity issues that plague her. I think its why she acts out so violently and so overtly sexual. Not to say a female can't do either (definitely can) but for her to change so drastically (unless of course you don't think British Betsy isn't that diff than Asian Betsy) it would seem that perhaps this is how she deals with those identity issues.
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  Quote Ciel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 2:11am
Remember Psylocke was originally just transmogrified to have Asian features.  Only the retcon of taking another person's body makes that any sort of complaint.  However Betsy still has to take care of herself.  She lets herself get fat or stops shaving or whatever and the compliments won't come anymore.  She puts plenty of work into the body she has now, so she can take pride in it.  Besides, Kwannon sorta put that behind her before she died so that it's not Betsy's "birth" body is not an issue anymore.
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  Quote courier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 4:05am
I know Mystique has used her feminine sexuality to her advantage multiple times. Anyone know if she has ever donned a masculune identity and used it to her advantage?

Or is that crossing the boundaries that no writer will take?
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  Quote nikbackm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 5:53am
Psylocke's body switch no longer matters, as she's no longer inhabiting another person's body. That body was destroyed (rotted away in a grave) when she was killed by Vargas.

Her current body is a construct created by her mad reality-altering brother.

Not sure if that make things any better though!


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Originally posted by UncannyScott

He's part of the Summers/Gray clan, course he has issue lol. That incest line seems to be blurred at Marvel for some characters lol.
Can't wait till Nate is back and have Hope crushing on him... I mean, talk about daddy issue.Tongue
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Kitty and Wisdom would also be illegal if she was 16.


No it's wouldn't. Remember Excalibur was set in Britain, British laws apply, regardless of her nationality. Sixteen is the age of consent over here.
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  Quote Cultar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 10:33am
And what is point of this? You want to prove that they do something illegal? Heroes many times did something illegal and many times their friends and teammates covered them. Many times they feel it was right thing to do, even if it was against law.
And if you speak just about illegal, why you mentioned beast, or rogue and Magneto? Is it inappropriate? It depends of point of view, but not illegal.

No one here speak about love, but just about legallity. Where is your romantic nature?

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  Quote Wolfthomas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 1:31pm
Typhoid Mary raped Deadpool.
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