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marhawkman
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Topic: Hela vs. Amora Posted: 05-Feb-2011 at 12:53am |
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After reading Avengers Prime I now wonder just how much, if any, Amora is weaker than Hela. Amora did a good job fighting off Hela when she was trying to kill Thor, and that was when Hela was weilding the Twilight Blade. Then when she helped Thor Fight Hela at the end she did a lot more than just distract Hela. So how would you guys rate the power of these two?
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Posted: 05-Feb-2011 at 6:24pm |
Hmm. I think this is a tough one.
I never read Avengers Prime, but they always used to portray Asgardians as weaker or afraid of Hela. My favorite scenes were when Thor fought Hela hand to hand. She was quite powerful! I think this even surprised Thor. Amora is a very powerful sorceress. If Amora held her own against Hela, perhaps she is more powerful than previously shown, although I don't think Amora is the type to hold back. I think she goes all out in her quests.
So, perhaps she has recently been upgraded or learned new spells? Or maybe it was her love/desire for Thor which enhanced her fighting?
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Posted: 05-Feb-2011 at 8:06pm |
Well, Amora usually DOES hold back at least when harassing superheros. Also she can't use her powers at their full strength in Earth Realm(Midgard). But this fight was in one of the 9 realms of Asgard. Amora has often been said to be one of the most powerful magic weilders in all of the 9 realms. Although this often comes with a caveat stating that she is definately not #1....
Thor and Hela fight here too, and Hela is shown to be approximately equal in strength to Thor.
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Posted: 05-Feb-2011 at 10:00pm |
Originally posted by marhawkman
Thor and Hela fight here too, and Hela is shown to be approximately equal in strength to Thor. |
I guess I was thinking of when Amora goes up against other magic-wielders that she usually tries to go all-out to win. Amora is definitely NOT #1, but she is "a contender" for the top 10.
I think she wants to prove she is #1 even though she knows she is not, as you said, especially in the nine worlds. At the very least though, Amora wants to be seen as the most powerful sorceress. She adores power and likes to lord it over others.
And even at less than full strength on places such as Midgard, Amora has in the past more than held her own against the likes of Doc Strange and Scarlet Witch. There was one point in particular where Amora was at half-strength, yet even a not-so-novice Wanda couldn't beat her (but did win the day by causing an explosion, seemingly killing Amora, but really just sending her back to from where she escaped--the mists between dimensions).
That being said, we know that Amora is powerful. I do not know all of Hela's abilities. Besides her death-powers and rule over Nifflehelm, what else can Hela do? We know she is at Thor-level strength, but does she possess magical powers? Can she fire bolts of energy or form shields or cast any types of spells? Can she mentally contact anyone or control others? I guess these answers would help to figure out how she matches to Amora.
By the by, how did Hela do fighting Thor in the Avengers book you mentioned? Was she able to hold her own?
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Posted: 06-Feb-2011 at 6:13pm |
Hela does have some magical abilities, but she seems to prefer using her death-goddess powers. Especially Necromancy, she loves sending a horde of the undead to fight heroes. She does use mystical energy in attacks, but not traditional magic. She seems to prefer "death" bolts to the sort of Magic attacks Amora can use. She also has the ability to create portals between the realms.
Hela fought Thor twice. Both times Hela was weilding the Twilight blade. In neither case was Thor able to best Hela by himself. The first time Hela almost killed him before Amora attacked Hela. The second time ended up as a 4 on 1 fight where Thor slugged it out with Hela while Amora, Stark, and Fafnir blasted away at her.
This of course makes me wonder. Amora is Karnilla's apprentice. What does this say of Karnilla's power? Which is surprisingly relevent as Karnilla decided to Marry Balder or something like that.... So she might show up at any time. *looks up on wikia* Hmmm. Karnilla is said to be (among Asgardians) second in magical power only to Odin.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2011 at 8:33pm |
Hela seems to have a different sort of magic in the death-goddess abilities department, making it hard to compare them. However, death-bolts and portals are signs of strong magic being wielded! Hela's Necromancy hoardes can certainly entertain any help Amora might bring with her and Amora certainly would not go up against Hela in hand-to-hand combat as Amora distains physical confrontations for the most part. And she would lose to Hela's superior strength. Isn't Hela much taller and heavier as well, like 7' tall and 500 pounds?
Yes, Karnilla is (much) more powerful than Amora and has trained her in the distant past. Karnilla is not from Asgard but one of the nine worlds. While not necessarily one of the good guys, Karnilla is more moral than Amora and this caused a rift in the past and Amora left. Amora then learned magic from male magic practitioners by entrancing and/or romancing them, so she has learned quite a bit of powerful magic. I've heard of Karnilla's ranking as the #2 for many years, I think back in letter's pages of Thor. Loki may be #3, although there are many and varied practitioners of magic in the nine worlds, so hard to say for sure.
With the gathered info, I think we can state that even though some powers may be different between Amora and Hela, a battle royal would surely ensue! I think it would be an epic battle with alot of energy/magic being used!
Don't know if there would be a decisive winner, but I guess "death" is always the winner, so eventually if Amora tired and was beaten and then died, Hela could be seen as the final winner of the duel.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2011 at 9:53pm |
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Yeah, I just looked up Karnilla in the latest handbook and it specifically said that she was second only to Odin in Magic.... But that apparently doesn't take into consideration all inhabitants of the nine realms. Just whatever species Asgardians are.
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