After Spider-Man joins F4 we have some discussion about Marvel as publisher:
American readers really does love two characters in almost every series and with many own series?
@Cultar - You say that like American reader have a say in the matter. I wasn't consulted on this change at all.
I mean no offence with it. But american readers are majority which has influence on Marvel comics. They buy it, Marvel publish it. They don´t buy it, marvel don´t publish it. It is simple question of offer and demand. Customer is always the boss which affect released goods form companies. Or at least he should be.
I agree... Marvel sees "hey people love Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Deadpool" so they put them EVERYWHERE! But they do go overboard.
Quite frankly, there are more than enough Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor ongoings/minis/one-shots as well.
Oh, I took no offense. That's what I made my joke back - I totally see your point. I don't really think it's valid, but I see your point.
I don't think most American fans follow these characters everywhere. I don't know ANYONE who buys every book that has a Wolverine appearence or a Spider-man appearence. I honestly don't - I've never even MET someone like that.
Personally, I honestly think that it's more of a natural extension of Hickman's run. He killed the Human Torch, he needs a replacement, and why not Spidey? Because he's popular? Hickman has a plan for the FF, he has since the start, and I think if he's going to use Spider-Man, it isn't to "boost sales" - it's because he has a POINT.
As for the industry, it's pretty much backwards here in the States - it's why the American comic book industry is dominated by two companies released one type of story (super-heroes) using the same characters in an endless cycle. They keep publishing it, we keep buying it, no matter how bad. S'why the Clone Saga ran for so long, s'why the 90's have a terrible reputation from the X-books. A LOT of the American audience buys what they're comfortable with, not necessarily what's best.
So we are beyond times "This is solo series of "putaname" because you demand it!"?
This is probably why they don´t listen to readers requests. They buy most books as a habit. But it is understandable, people like comics and they don´t stopped buy everything so they never changed thinks like "no continuity mystakes", more development of characters, no deaths and ressurections, etc - all thins which readers don´t like. And people don´t buy enough minority books (like Cap Britain) so they cancelled them. They don´t need to listen to readers because they know they will always buy it. In EU it is hard for comics and only best series survived. But there is also the thing that they have one, or two issues per year so until we have new issue we forget what happend before.
But I must ask, how it is possible, that readers still buy several solo series of spider-man. They simply said with their act that they agree with his restart. Are they really that shallow that they buy it just because it is spider-man and they don´t care what marvel do with him? They don´t want read about character who they know and follow his development (as little as it is), but just about anyone who wears red mask, shoot webs and make jokes and have name Peter Parker? There is no power of customers like they stop buying it and demand backrestart? They really don´t care? Because if they don´t care, marvel coud do it with any character. It is as with laws, or government - when people don´t care, they could do anything they want.
Some people buy what they like, some people buy out of habit. Either way its what people choose to do with their money. If you don't like an idea or story, I say don't buy it.
So I have one question (and one supplementary question) on which I would like to know your opinions.
1. Have readers some influence on stories, or titles? I know that for low sales some series were cancelled, but most of you on forum agree that people buy mainly flagship titles (X-Men, Avengers, F4, etc.). Some cancelled titles were really great, some were boring. But this is mainly question of finance, not interest (IMHO), when people buy many things from habit (as Grief pointed) and can´t afford buy everything. But do we really need so many Captain Amaricas, Deadpools, Wolverines, Thors, Spideys?
And for stories, there are many things which we don´t like: deaths and resurrections (just stopped killing them when they can´t stand death and frankly we don´t want loose many of our favorite characters), off characters behavior (sometimes we just don´t like it and if it is off character is mood point, sometimes is undisputed and behavior is just for some things which writers want to do in series), relationships (nothing lasts with so many characters), ignoring of continuity and/ or work of previous writers, forgetting of less known characters, slow or none development of characters, etc, etc, etc.
How much want writers made compromise of what they want and what fans want and what Marvel want; or how much have them creative freedom from their bosses of Marvel? Have editors still meaning when there is so many mistakes and contradictory things?
2. My second question is more concrete. I don´t want to discuss about spider-man story, if it was good, or bad, how could it be done and why. This was discussed many times. Fact is that this was really dirty from marvel. I read marvel about ten years and I am still mad at it. If I read spider-man from his beginning I will probably have a heart attack from OMD. I can accept that some readers want difference, but they have Ultimate Spider-Man. If he and MJ divorce, I could accept it, but such forcing restart, change of continuity and everything is absurd. I think that people want some development of characters and after so long time of publishing series, they also deserve it.
So my question is How is it possible, that people still buy it? And in such large quantity, that there are so many series/ issues per month? People really don´t care, or is their habit so strong, or they just want funny guy with webs no matter who he is, or they don´t have the will to do something like stop buying it to force publisher for backchange?
Blackcyclops: You said “don’t like it, don´t buy it”. I don´t buy it, I don´t read it, I don´t care about anything with spider-man after OMD. Point is, that it isn´t just one series which I don´t like due to bad art, or boring writing, or irritating side characters or something like that which is most often the reason with many other series. I would like to read about Spider-Man, but about Spider-Man which I know for so long, about which I read many issues and many information from internet about older issues and stories. But I can’t because he is no longer here. I don´t care if there are good new stories. There could be best stories ever from whole comics on the world, but it isn´t Peter Parkers which I know so I don´t read it, because they give me no choice. Merried spider-man and ultimate single spider-man – it will be a choice.