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Topic: X-Editor: Original Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:05am |
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So far we've seen the X-Men strikeforce, covert ops, public-relations, proactive, government sanctioned, junior team, team in training, rescue squad, and fake-mutant-hunters-but-actually-mutant-heroes teams (not to mention the dimension hopping team). So I ask you can you come up with a new and original concept for an X-Team. This team should be something that the X-Men have no done before...
The rules:
1) The team's mission statement and concept can't be something that has already been used or currently being used.
2) The team can't consist of members of an already established squad (so no members of X-Force, New Mutants, Rogue's up-n-coming team, X-Factor, Uncanny X-Men's star team)
3) Must use already established X-characters...
I know that this is kinda restrictive but I've seen some really good story ideas come out of this board and I wanted to think up something to really challenge us. I'm working on my idea and should be posting soon...hope to see something interesting things
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:25am |
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Established X-characters or any established mutant?
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:34am |
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No mention of X-club in your breakdown?! :O But they are the brain trust!
Seriously though i guess i'll give this a whirl.
1) Something like what Anole and Rockslide did in 'Serve and Protect' would be pretty interesting. Cleaning up crime like Spidey one crook at a time. 2) I don't have the focus right now to fact-check a team of members but i could see it working best with a bunch of X-kids. Maybe one of the old Gen-X or New mutant guys could lead them for some experience out on the field. But yeah that'd be cool.
Edited by Circular Logic - 23-Mar-2011 at 5:38am
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:40am |
Originally posted by Kipe
Established X-characters or any established mutant? |
Any established mutant is fine...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:45am |
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Okay so I'll give it a shot, time for a shameless retcon!
Introducing the eXceptional esseX-men, inspired by the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen it's a story about a team of mutants at the turn of the 19th century. Nominally recruited by the charismatic Nathaniel Essex (secretly Sinister) to protect the world from emerging threats. In reality it's to facilitate his hidden agenda of genetic modification and documentation.
The lineup initially features Raven Darkholme (Mystique) and Irene Adler (Destiny), The psychic Frenchman Paris Bennet (Exodus) and a mysterious Italian foreigner with healing powers (Romulus).
If you'll forgive me I can't think of any other old x-characters aside from Selene and Apocalypse, they'd probably make this line up too much (and would be better as antagonists). So I'll add a super strong American gunslinger (John Steele), a Black Panther forefather of T-Challa's and there'd be a whole bunch of younger new mutants and mutates. There could be some interesting new origins like a kid who fell into a steam engine powered by imported coal (perhaps containing vibranium from wakanda?) that somehow magically saves them and gives them powers.
I think eventually Mystique and Destiny would take control of the team after the first few arcs and lose some of the more villainous characters, she would impersonate Nathaniel Essex for the public and government. But I also like the idea of these manipulators and schemers all trying to out-maneuverer each other while still battling threats to the world.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:54am |
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Interesting...so you saying a team pre WW1...thus allowing for anything in the 20th CEntury to still exist in tact...I like that...I'm not sure if Romulus is Italian LOL...but still interesting to include the "original" Wolverine on a team and John Steele...I like this...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 5:57am |
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Romulus dates back to prehistoric times, but I think he did a bunch of stuff in Roman times, so in this situation he's pretending to be Italian.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:00am |
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Also I'm not sure if Exodus would be free, if I remember correctly Magneto freed Exodus sometime in the modern era...otherwise: Irene, Raven, Romulus, John Steele, an earlier Black Panther (perhaps even a Black Panther sibling who was exiled for being a mutant), and maybe a few new mutants would be a dope team...connection to the present and stuff. I like this idea alot...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:05am |
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Yeah probably scrap Exodus, I forgot about that. But perhaps an earlier Black Knight as well, I don't know. I got the idea from the earlier Avengers team Bendis has created.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:07am |
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LOL...i also like that you went with their given names and not code-names since back then perhaps they wouldnt even go for code names yet.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:11am |
Wait...not getting to use Frenzy or Legion is unfair....that's not established yet...only through solicitation...it's not established until it hits panel... =)P
The X-Authority, Cyclops decides that the X-Men should fight against the opression of all humans, not just mutants, as well as the environment, and sets up a world-hopping team to help third-world countries that are in a state of rebellion, or in dire need of throwing off an opressive regime. They also take on environmental destruction and try to help promote sustainability.
Nate Grey - field leader, telepathy, team communication
Husk - Hacking/tech support, a versatility of abilities through her different skins/bodies.
Dust - This is something she might feel more comfortable fighting for.
Blink - Transport
Elixer - healing, an anti-virus to biological and chemical warfare, he could do good without fighting
Proudstar - strength, hunting senses, I feel this is something he could get behind
Boom Boom - pure fire power, and a rebellious spirit
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:16am |
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Environmental team...I like that...Would they be covert or out in the open? I only ask because if they try and take down an evil regime it could be seen as an international incident and cause trouble for Utopia, San Francisco or the US in general.
I like the team set up though.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:25am |
Covert, none of these X-Men are that well known in the public, as far as I know.
Hell, they could even do it publicly and simply denounce the X-Men and Utopia, and be more like Wildstorms' The Authority. But none of them, (besides maybe Nate) would really have the power or finances(none of them) to back that kind of operation up like the Authority. Yeah, they'd totally have to be covert.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:30am |
Originally posted by Kipe
Covert, none of these X-Men are that well known in the public, as far as I know.
Hell, they could even do it publicly and simply denounce the X-Men and Utopia, and be more like Wildstorms' The Authority. But none of them, (besides maybe Nate) would really have the power or finances(none of them) to back that kind of operation up like the Authority. |
*brainstorming*
I say go with that overt notion...and kinda going off your idea, have them publicly denounce the X-Men. Even have Nate take up the mantle of Cable and operate as an independent agent (even have them stationed in Rumekistan (sp). But unknown to the world at large, Cyclops and the X-Men support them and so does the UN. So they are essentially an "independent" team who do these things on behalf of themselves but they have the monetary support of the UN and the resource (information and other mutants) support of the X-Men. But if they are caught, they are on their own and both parties will disavow all knowledge of them.
I like that concept because it makes it one part Peace-keeping force, one part environmental Avengers (playing on Nate being a Shaman), but also one part secret agents...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:35am |
Yes, so glad you picked up on the Nate as a Shaman connection (exactly what I was thinking)! I like your tweaks to my idea! =]
At some point I would have them run across Threnody. Maybe she could help the people that Elixer couldn't save pass on easier. Also, she could raise armies of zombies to battle.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 6:44am |
Originally posted by Kipe
Yes, so glad you picked up on the Nate as a Shaman connection (exactly what I was thinking)! I like your tweaks to my idea! =]
At some point I would have them run across Threnody. Maybe she could help the people that Elixer couldn't save pass on easier. Also, she could raise armies of zombies to battle. |
Yes...I dig the use of Threnody.
I think it would be really interesting to have Nate go by the name of Cable. I know this would make some people uneasy but the parallels between them later in their respective lives can't be ignored. Nate became a shaman to the world, while Cable essentially tried to help usher humanity into being better. Then having Nate take up some of Cable's missions would be cool.
I'd love to see the time when this team would run into X-Force. It would be interesting because on one hand they are both partly covert but Nate would essentially know about something Cyclops doesn't. Thus having him enter into this complex world of secrets. Not only that but an Archangel and Nate encounter would be cool because of their experiences with Apocalypse.
Of course, as much as you don't like her, a Nate and Hope's team interaction would be nice. Especially if they are going to handle an environmental situation that turns out to be a new mutant. Nate and Hope have alot in common too, Nate had alot of pressure put on him as well early in his life. He was a jerk to Xavier, Cyclops, and alot of other people...thinking back, they really do have alot in common.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 7:05am |
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I don't hate Hope, I'm just not digging her so much Post SC. And really, that's more so because of the lack of characterization in the last few years of other characters around her, whereas she's getting so much. But that's not her fault. It's mostly Fraction's. If I were an X-writer with this actual title, there is no way I would pass up having at least an issue if not an arc involving Nate, Hope, and Rachel.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 7:27am |
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Nate, Hope and Rachel...I would make it something non-Phoenix related...instead make it Askani related...I say bring back Sinsear from the old Cable series. It would be awesome...I even want to do an entire issue of talking between the three, particularly about Cable...
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 7:39am |
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No Phoenix. Ever. I love the mythos of the Phoenix, but that would just muddle things up. I would probably only do an issue or a two-parter of the meeting of the three. Damn you BC, now you have me wanting to write a fanfiction, which never works out for me lol.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 7:55am |
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I even got the premise for the initiation of the group. Start it off after Nate and the X-Jammers have returned. So that way you get all the messy out the way. Actually have the issue open with Nate, Cyke, Hope, and Rachel in Alaska. Show that Nate had to nearly force Cyke to leave the island (when was the last time he had a day off? that's something to look into Gillen) and go for relaxation. Show the anxiety of Hope revisiting the place where so much blood was spilled over her. Show Rachel's uneasiness with Nate. Show Cyke's guilt over what has happened. Show Nate really trying to figure out what to do next. There they would deal with some type of environmental threat (not a mutant but some type of superpowered individual). From there Nate will be motivated to be a better shaman, as well as carry on Cable's memory. He'll ask Cyclops to give him some help and then he'll also go to Steve Rogers (remember Nate went to the Avengers first during Onslaught not the X-Men, because he didn't trust them). Steve would point him towards the U.N. There he would be kinda dismissed but Alistair Stuart (maybe) would be there and help him talk to some people. From there he'd be given this secret ability to function as an separate entity from any one government but he would get funding from them (his first mission would be something to prove his ability). He would then assemble his team (all taking on costumes similar to what Astonishing X-Men wore in Xenogensis, so not to confuse them with the X-Men) and begin his mission work. They would operate in Asia, Europe, South America and Africa. Keeping them away from the USA.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 9:10am |
Originally posted by Blackcyclops
LOL...i also like that you went with their given names and not code-names since back then perhaps they wouldnt even go for code names yet. |
Yeah I'd do that to make it a quasi reveal, for astute fans it would be obvious but for others it might be a surprise. With Romulus I'd go out of my way to imply that it's going to be Wolverine in spoilers and the first few issues and then do the switcheroo for Romulus.
Originally posted by Blackcyclops
Irene, Raven, Romulus, John Steele, an earlier Black
Panther (perhaps even a Black Panther sibling who was exiled for being a
mutant), and maybe a few new mutants would be a dope team...connection
to the present and stuff. I like this idea alot... | I think it'd be an interesting team to read, a good thing is that their powers aren't too showy so you could very much have period sherlock holmes-esque mysteries with them. I really like the idea of super-powered people in that period. There's no television, internet or other organised media (aside from newspapers) to spread sightings of the team. Most people were very religious and faraway countries were considered strange and mysterious, the ideas of Charles Darwin are quite controversial everywhere (not just the south of the US) and any super-powers might be explained away as lower class superstitutions or urban legends/folklore like Springheel Jack. As for Black Panther, a think having him as a full King of wakanda with all the powers that intails would make for hillariously awkward situations where people mistake him for the group's servant and it could easily be explained that, much like T'Challa did, has journeyed to west to observe their culture, perhaps study at oxford or something.
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How about an Abfab team? A Hollywood based team centered around a pop/rock band.... Starring
Lila Cheney... The rebelous rock chic that can eleport anywhere and everywhere...
Dazzler... The pop chic that wants to reboot her career and dazzle the audience
Northstar... 'cause every band needs a gay entourage
Daken... Wasn't he going to go to LA anyway?
Husk... Every band need a groupy
Chamber... Always seemed like a guitarist to me
Banshee... Hey nobody said anything about dead characters and somebody needs to lead this bunch.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 8:57pm |
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LOL - Banshee would make a GREAT Tour Manager! And Northstar obviously is the publicist - he already owns a company and is somewhat of a celebrity himself. Add Pixie as a keyboardist/background dancer/groupie, and I'm in.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 9:13pm |
Originally posted by Kipe
Wait...not getting to use Frenzy or Legion is unfair....that's not established yet...only through solicitation...it's not established until it hits panel... =)P
The X-Authority, Cyclops decides that the X-Men should fight against the opression of all humans, not just mutants, as well as the environment, and sets up a world-hopping team to help third-world countries that are in a state of rebellion, or in dire need of throwing off an opressive regime. They also take on environmental destruction and try to help promote sustainability.
Nate Grey - field leader, telepathy, team communication
Husk - Hacking/tech support, a versatility of abilities through her different skins/bodies.
Dust - This is something she might feel more comfortable fighting for.
Blink - Transport
Elixer - healing, an anti-virus to biological and chemical warfare, he could do good without fighting
Proudstar - strength, hunting senses, I feel this is something he could get behind
Boom Boom - pure fire power, and a rebellious spirit |
Love your Planeter team. I would read it.
I vote for no arch nemesis... each issue focuses on them trying to save the world from itself, not some crazy genius who invented a deathray and wants 1 trillion dollars.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 9:26pm |
Originally posted by jesse james
How about an Abfab team? A Hollywood based team centered around a pop/rock band.... Starring Lila Cheney... The rebelous rock chic that can eleport anywhere and everywhere... Dazzler... The pop chic that wants to reboot her career and dazzle the audience Northstar... 'cause every band needs a gay entourage Daken... Wasn't he going to go to LA anyway? Husk... Every band need a groupy Chamber... Always seemed like a guitarist to me Banshee... Hey nobody said anything about dead characters and somebody needs to lead this bunch. |
Yes!! I love this Hollywood Team! I also like QD's idea of Pixie. Maybe Boom Boom and/or Jubilee too, sort of 'cheerleader groupies'. Oh, and don't forget Strong Guy as bodyguard.
This made me wonder if Dazzler ever sung with Lila Chaney?
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"Forever shall the Phoenix rage.....!"
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