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    Posted: 25-Mar-2011 at 9:23am
Things are so fast-paced in comics these days that writers sometimes don't have the time to explore character connections, reactions to major events, etc. 

What are some of those "missed moments" you'd love to see touched upon?

Here are some of mine:

- Colossus and Karma both mourning Kitty following her sacrifice...
- Kitty and Illyana reunited now that Illyana's back!
- Wolfsbane learning that Doug is now alive... and Doug eager to see Rahne only to learn she's knocked up!
- Nocturne's reaction to Nightcrawler's death + interactions w/ Hope
- Mystique's reactions to Nightcrawler's death + interactions w/ Hope
- Domino's reaction to Cable's death + interactions w/ Hope
- Anyone wondering if anyone is still "alive" following Necrosha
- Frenzy and the other former Acolytes (or Toad for that matter) reacting to Magneto's new role in Utopia
- Anyone other than Scott's reaction to Beast leaving the way he did
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Are we just doing moments that are recently missed out? And our we doing moments that are really missed or just haven't happened yet?

Because most of those moments can still happen ((Rahne can still meet Doug, Mystique can still interact with Hope and discuss her son's death, Domino's feelings about Cable's death can still be explored she hasn't been seen)
I thought everyone died on Necrosha or the X-Men were led to believe that after stopping Selene?
Is Nocturne still in our dimension?
Didn't Colossus mourn Kitty?

There's going to be an entire series of Frenzy and Magneto interacting...

Now going off the ones you listed I would say:

X-Treme meeting Vulcan
Threnody meeting revived Nate

But again those could still potentially happen, just haven't happened yet.
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Originally posted by Blackcyclops

Didn't Colossus mourn Kitty?


Well plenty of people mourned Kitty, but there was no sort of coming together as a group on-panel to deal with it.  They showed some isolated bits and pieces, though the issue with her being "functionally gone but not quite dead" probably kept them from really touching heavily upon it.  I think that's more what Binaryan means, just as far as in his mind if you're looking at two individuals who actually were separately in love with Kitty and nothing really came of that afterward.  A missed character opportunity.

Though I would note that really after Mekanix, Kitty and Shan were never in the same room together on-panel even though they were both back at the Institute again for quite a while, so that in itself was a missed opportunity to address the whole New Mutants v2 part with Shan clearly referring to Kitty being that friend-now-gone whom the whole family wanted to come back and for whom there was an empty seat at Karma's graduation ceremony (I can only presume that Kitty was sent a ticket, given that there was a seat available rather than the ticket being given to another student's guests).

Over at CBR they have a whole separate theory about Kitty and Shan having some sort of serious falling out that would explain why they never appear together anymore and the former seems to not even acknowledge the latter's existence (and unintentional amputation) during the one time that they were on panel together after Mekanix.  Tongue
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I was curious to see other peoples reactions to Doug being resurrected. We obviously had the New Mutants and some others staff but we had nothing from Kitty or Wolfsbane. Wolfsbane might have an excuse as I don't think she was on Utopia after he was brought back. But Kitty and Doug have been kicking around that complex together for a while but no-one has acknowledged their past history.
I was also going to say Kitty/Lockheed but then I remembered that that interaction will be happening in an upcoming issue of Uncanny I think.
 
 


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Originally posted by Ciel


Originally posted by Blackcyclops

Didn't Colossus mourn Kitty?


Well plenty of people mourned Kitty, but there was no sort of coming
together as a group on-panel to deal with it.  They showed some isolated
bits and pieces, though the issue with her being "functionally gone but
not quite dead" probably kept them from really touching heavily upon
it.  I think that's more what Binaryan means, just as far as in his mind if you're looking at two individuals who actually were separately in love with Kitty and nothing really came of that afterward.  A missed character opportunity.Though I would note that really after Mekanix, Kitty and Shan were never in the same room together on-panel even though they were both back at the Institute again for quite a while, so that in itself was a missed opportunity to address the whole New Mutants v2 part with Shan clearly referring to Kitty being that friend-now-gone whom the whole family wanted to come back and for whom there was an empty seat at Karma's graduation ceremony (I can only presume that Kitty was sent a ticket, given that there was a seat available rather than the ticket being given to another student's guests).Over at CBR they have a whole separate theory about Kitty and Shan having some sort of serious falling out that would explain why they never appear together anymore and the former seems to not even acknowledge the latter's existence (and unintentional amputation) during the one time that they were on panel together after Mekanix.  Tongue


A failed relationship???? I smell juicy gossip...
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How about Emma getting constantly confused with the bad guys?

I think Kitty is the only one who has ever given her a mouth full about it. But even then I suspected Kitty to want to kill her.
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Warren and Psylocke sitting down and having this lovely awkward conversation

"So ah you heard that Neal tool you left me for is banging some half-Shiar deus ex machina?"

"How much did you pay off the cops to teeny bop Husk? Not to mention her mother"

"Wannabe Ninja"

"Wannabe Hugh Hefner"

"Conference Table?"

"Kitchen Table. Scott and Emma already defaced the Conference Table"
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LOL!  Along those lines,  I'd love to see Doug and Betsy interact.  Maybe a Doug/Paige romance to piss both their former lovers off.

Many of these moments that I think of come from pacing and there not being panel time for characters to react to major status changes (deaths, resurrections, new relationships, etc.)

A comical moment... Kitty sees Piotr's tattoo with her name across his chest and informs him that Jews aren't really fans of tattooing...
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Next time Utopia is in need of medical expertise following a major attack or something, Cecilia Reyes/Kavita Rao/Dr. Nemesis says that they're doctors and that's all well and good but they could really use some nurses to help out.

At which point everybody stares daggers at Cargill, who's all, "You're still upset about Friedlander?  That was years ago."


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Well of course there aren't a lot of interactions and reactions to deaths and ressurections, dying and coming back are like losing you're baby teeth or hitting puberty to mutants. It happens eventually, you just wait for it and it's usually guaranteed at some point. It's like their super blase to death now, someone dies and they just wander on ready for the day they come back lol. That as well as long as someone doesn't appear in their book, or vice versa, those people just don't seem to fully exist.

Quite true that there is still time for some of the things to happen, though it's the thing that the longer it takes to get to it the less impact it will have. Mystique and Hope interacting about Kurt's death say like in stories next year, even though it might only be six months or so for the characters, is not the same in impact if she had confronted her right away.

Maybe under Lowe with his speaking of trying to bring the books back together to feel like an actual integrated line these sorts of things will happen more.

- In the vein of the old days, and even right before San Fran move in Uncanny, Piotr and Logan should have gone to a bar or such and had a drink while speaking on Kurt.

- Xavier being around to react to just about anything since Necrosha really. Like his students losing limbs and dying and such lol.

- Since if I recall Tabby is hanging around San Fran, maybe her and Sam coming face to face since they really haven't been around one another since they were a couple. Throw in Dani kiss drama, and bam story drama.

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Well you also don't want to force an interaction...Like Mystique is occupied in Wolverine and for all we know she could have yet to hear about it or she grieved in private.

I kinda feel for Piotr because he's always the guy moping around when people die, when people come back, when people don't like his paintings LOL...Colossus is emo without being "real emo" LOL...
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Originally posted by Blackcyclops

Well you also don't want to force an interaction...Like Mystique is occupied in Wolverine and for all we know she could have yet to hear about it or she grieved in private.


Mystique grieves by ruining lives.  She also celebrates by ruining lives.  She also ruins lives in order to calibrate her equipment, or because it happens to be the winter solstice.  Or whatever.
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I'm still waiting for Rogue to spill the beans that Karma and Kitty had a summer fling that didn't end well...
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True on not forcing, though this was where an X-Men Unlimited style title would come in really handy. Sure we have the mini anthologies but usually they are themed and all stories in them fit some theme. Have the nice little side title for the small stories that fall between the cracks of the arcs. Oh one can wish I suppose.

- I would say something in regards to missed opportunities in tying together Wolverine occurrences like how he's possessed here, heroing here, with X-Force over there, doing gory things in his other ongoing, etc....but that would be asking for too much from them methinks lol.
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I'd like a scene where somebody gets in Nekra's face about... well, being Nekra.  And then she just goes, "Yeah, it's a real shame I didn't have some old rich guy sponsoring my education so I could make something of myself."

Utopia needs something more than the "post-cataclysm basketball/baseball game."  I want an intramural hobby group.  Do theater or something.  Get a variety of people together, not just the kids going off to be by themselves.

If Polaris is coming back in New Mutants, maybe she and Karma can bond over their weight issues?  Because that's such a strong, positive portrayal of females (apparently fighting to the death in self-defense every other day doesn't keep them in shape to where they could feel confident about eating a few carbs...)

Someone really needs to take advantage of the fact that Toad is usually seen with all the "outcast" mutants as a sort of spokesperson.  Give the guy some serious mic time.  It'd be hilarious if he tried to organize a political party to peaceably take the reins of Utopia.

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Hi.  I'm Mortimer Toynbee.  Most of you know me as "Eww, don't touch me!"  But I assure you, I am not Sack.  Look at all this skin.  Just look at it!  Anyway, if you're like me, you've been feeling quite neglected about the current ruling party in Utopia and instead of being given a voice, we're usually attacked by motorcycle-riding ninja wannabes, or frozen solid by jerks who get to eat 80 times the normal ration, and don't even get me started on how certain self-absorbed tarts walk around making demands of every person of influence on the island without once respecting the fact that the rest of us literally have to take a number and wait a week just to tell someone that we're out of toilet paper.

I say, no more!  Mutantkind needs true cooperation and democracy to be a shining example to the rest of the world.  Fine, specific individuals can step up and guard us in the event of an attack, but then these nameless persons need to sit the hell down and drink their juicebox during the few moments of peace we get around here.  I've done a lot of study and it turns out that a ruling military junta is normally considered a bad thing among civilized people.  So I'm proud to announce my candidacy for mayor of Utopia!

My platform includes installing recreational areas in Utopia so that those of us who aren't particularly welcome on U.S. soil actually have something to do here.  At least a pinball machine in the cafeteria.  And I'd give everybody one of those fancy bulletproof costumes that the X-Men have.  Or at least a freakin' flak jacket and a helmet from the Army surplus store.  To raise money, I'd mandate a calendar of tasteful nude photos of various X-women.  You know that this stuff is getting photoshopped anyway, let's go with the flow rather than fighting it.  I also plan to institute identification cards for all Utopia residents, because I'm pretty sure that Pixie is underage and nobody says anything about the way she struts around here like a working girl.

My cabinet would include Random as the Head of Police, because he's pretty good at what he does and is useful for more than just shuffling around steel girders on a construction site.  Apparently nobody knows or cares that Litterbug is quite the machinist and scientist in his own right, so I'd get rid of the blatant "pretty people" favoritism in the X-Club and have him work with Mr. Uncanny Valley.  And I'd retain Prodigy for Minister of Logistical Support but I promise that he will still only be allowed to speak 3 or fewer times per annum.  I will, however, have him get some stronger coffee than whatever swill that Cyclops liked.

I'll be organizing a town hall tomorrow in the smoking crater where the laundry room used to be before the umpteenth time we were attacked even though we were told we should come here because it would discourage outside attacks.  You may meet me, and my running mate Bliss, and ask any questions you'd like.  We can actually make time for you.

We'll have X-Men shaped pasta provided by Chef Boyardee as well as all the garlic bread you can eat provided that Armor and Rockslide can ever get a shipment back here without having to blow up a whale.  Massages and acupuncture services will be by that one guy we totally weren't supposed to notice when he was coming out of that interrogation/torture room in the Marin compound that they decided to place right next to the vending machines for some reason.

I will warn you now that this event, while we don't anticipate anything crazy, is intended for adults (that means YOU, Pixie!).  Bring your thinking caps, but also I'd suggest to bring a gun or something because you never know when somebody else is gonna drop a missile, or a Predator X, or a new and horrific James Marsden film on us.

~TOYNBEE: For a slightly more personable tomorrow.  Also, he totally showers despite what Iceman says.~

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Originally posted by Ciel

Next time Utopia is in need of medical expertise following a major attack or something, Cecilia Reyes/Kavita Rao/Dr. Nemesis says that they're doctors and that's all well and good but they could really use some nurses to help out.

At which point everybody stares daggers at Cargill, who's all, "You're still upset about Friedlander?  That was years ago."


They have a nurse... Voght.
Frenzy hasn#t killed her yet...has she? I suppose she hasn't been seen in some time... :)
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Did Voght go to Utopia? I thought as usual..she opted out of being around the X-Men. Because if she is on Utopia..

I want more Voght and Xavier interaction, and possibly Voght and Original X-Men interaction since she could have been there with them in the beginning.

I want to see the X-Men's and especially Xaviers..reaction to hearing about the near destruction of the Shi'ar and Lilandra, who they helped put to power.
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Does anyone on Earth even know about what happened with the Fault? I mean besides Reed...
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Does anyone on Earth even know about what happened with the Fault? I mean besides Reed...


Hmm..don't think so. So it's still possible to see all these scenarios..I'm amazed Xavier hasn't tried to contact Lilandra actually..even though she did try to kill him after the whole Cassie incident..and they broke their connection.
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Bennet you forget about Rise and Fall where they interacted and she went out of her way to save him from being killed by Vulcan after he went through so much to save her and the Empire.
 
But then they failed and Vulcan got to be Emperor.
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Yeah, she goes all out to save his life and dude can't even take two seconds to try and check up on her :p. Hell Cyke needs to at least try and contact his brother. If their so worried about the last remaining mutants, you'd think he'd want to see if his brother and daughter and a woman he's known for a long time are still alive lol. Out of sight, off of planet, out of mind.
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I blame S.W.O.R.D. Brand be sneaky. She hiding inter-galactic messages.
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She's jealous, only one alien woman can have X-Men booty at one time. She knows that if Xavier knew about her death he'd no doubt try to find some way to bring her back as aliens and super types spring back up like weeds left and right. One alien chick per mutant per time period. That is why Deathbird can't come back, she might try to find a new mutant boy toy or try and find Bishop in time and try and hit on him again.
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IF anyone was to bring Bishop back, it would be her...there I just sold the Marvel Event of 2015...One alien woman shall inherit the X-men
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After reading Ciel's award-winning post*, I want to see Toad lead an angry mob against Cyclops hosting the premiere of Hop on Utopia.
 
 
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