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Topic: Dream Team: X-Students Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 12:27am |
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Marvel tried launching the "YOUNG X-MEN" and the cast of characters was one of several reasons the title was not well-received by fans. So I was curious to see which of the established X-Students would make the cut for an 8-person roster.
Please select your Top 8 choices from the list below and list them in order from 1 to 8. For the purposes of this survey, I have excluded Hope & the Five Lights and other young unaffiliated mutants who were not recently students (such as Jubilee) or young mutants not currently active on Utopia (Leech, Artie).
Based on this, I will determine who the "Big 8" of the latest generation of X-Men are!
"The X-Students"
Anole - Armor - Blindfold - Bling! - Cipher - Crosta - Dust - Elixir - Ernst - Gentle/Nezhno - Graymalkin - Hellion - Indra - Ink - Loa - Match - Mercury - No-Girl - Pixie - Prodigy - Rockslide - Stepford Cuckoos - Surge - Trance - X-23
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 12:50am |
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1. Hellion 2. Blindfold 3. Stepford Cuckoos 4. Pixie 5. Elixir 6. Rockslide 7. Mercury 8. X-23
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 1:38am |
Originally posted by Cable
1. Hellion2. Blindfold3. Stepford Cuckoos4. Pixie5. Elixir6. Rockslide7. Mercury8. X-23
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There you go...he took my lineup
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 2:22am |
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This gives me an idea, I'll make a discussion thread about it.
Edited by Ciel - 31-Mar-2011 at 2:23am
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 5:31am |
Anole - Blindfold - Hellion - Match - Prodigy - Rockslide - Surge - X-23
1. Leader: Prodigy
2. Feral: X-23
3. Strength: Rockslide
4. Stealth: Anole
5. Elemental: Match
6. Psychic: Blindfold
7. Speed: Surge
8. Defense: Hellion
I think this is the most well-rounded casts. Prodigy is definitely the better leader and tactician then Hellion and Surge. Pixie and Armor annoy me, so no! I also think that having Blindfold will bring more interesting team dynamics than the robotic Cuckoos. I was thinking of replacing Match with Dust, but then the team will be way too similar with the cast of New X-men. And I really think that Match has lots of potential. The others are either have redundant powers or not established enough as characters. Not that I have anything against non-established characters (that's why I penciled Match in), but I think having too much of them in one book is not going to work. And for the life of me, I can't remember who Crosta is, even after reading Ciel's write-up.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 5:42am |
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Crosta is an Atlantean mutant introduced in Namor's pages. He's not necessarily exclusive, but really you'd have to have seen him there to know he exists. He's got some sorta powers I don't care to remember, but otherwise is just some random Atlantean. Because he is Atlantean, though, he's naturally more at home in the water and that cuts down on his page time.
Loa needs an amulet to breath underwater but otherwise she's fine either place, except that she still lacks an Atlantean's strength, body density, or speed in the water.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 8:21am |
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We really do need one of these books. Marvel has truly dropped the ball on this ginormous roster of new mutants, many of whom became far more interesting than one would have imagined. I would like to see an X-Force On The Road book with these characters, get them away from Utopia and San Francisco, really question what the X-Men's mission is. The X-Men ignored the New Mutants and they went rogue. These guys need to do the same.
Just to be clear: I am not thinking about the most impressive group power-wise, but rather in terms of what in their personalities can be explored. Some characters like Armor and Pixie are being groomed so much for X-Man-dom that I can't see any interesting stories coming from them, and others like Hellion or X-23 make every issue so angsty that I don't think it would be worth it to include them because every story with them becomes either too dark or whiny.
1. Blindfold...this character could be a device for so many adventures. She's incredibly hard to write and easy to write poorly, but there's a ton here. She is the Layla Miller of the group.
2. Anole...strangely, he has become the most well-rounded character, the voice of reason of the group. The Nightcrawler. Impossible to imagine the book without him.
3. Rockslide...or him. I want someone to touch on the fact that he was the kind of teenager who saw turning into a pile of rocks as wish-fulfillment in his teenage years. Eventually, not having human genitalia is going to seem less cool.
4. Elixer...he's been corrupted so much. He must be brought back into the fold. The X-Men will go after him for reasons of utility. His colleagues will defend him for reasons of friendship.
5. Prodigy...it's going to be hard for someone to write Prodigy, because they would have to be as smart as he is. That's why nobody can really write a good Forge story. You'd have to be some kind of genius. I would love to see Brian K. Vaughn write this book and with Prodigy. Good character. Interesting angle in him not being a mutant anymore.
6. The Stepford Cuckoos...there is so much to be done with these guys away from the X-Men. I would love to see them on the road. Besides, they fill half the "Hot Chick" quotient. It's three characters worth exploring for the price of one!
...here's where it gets difficult. I'm going to do process of elimination right here. I don't think that Ernst and No-Girl can work in a straight book, especially considering that Ernst is kinda Cassandra Nova in a human body unless I'm mistaken, which has been kinda forgotten by people. Or it's at least eluded to that that's what she is. Every issue would involve the same non-sequitars with them and it would get old. There really is no need for Cipher with Blindfold as an existing character, and while I'm sure there's something to be done with Greymalkin, I don't know if it needs to be done while other characters are left wanting. Ink is a terrible character. Just terrible. I didn't know that Crosta was a character until now to be honest. Match is rathe generic.
7. Surge...there's a lot to be done with her. She has a wild streak in her that's gone unexplored and I'd like to see the relationship between her and Prodigy explored. And she's powerful. You do need that. Super-speed and electric blasts. Right now, the team has healing, stealth, and strength, and surveillance.
...I want to bring you into my process. As I've been doing this, I've thought about what team do I want to see in a solo series. I realize that what I want to see is a young group of X-Men essentially saying f**k it! and hitting the road or doing something of their own. That fits the profiles of Elixer, Prodigy, Surge, and I think I could see the Cuckoos leaving as well. And after a while, Anole and Rockslide would thirst for a shot for action. Basically, a flip-side to the standard team that would toe the company line, which would include some of the heavier hitters like Armor, Hellion, Pixie, and maybe X-23. In theory, the X-Men don't want the Cuckoos or Elixer just running around. So, what dark horse young X-Men would be down to join them providing an interesting contrast to the established team and wouldn't likely stay on the island...?
8. Gentle...because he's going to die. Nehzno knows that once his vibranium bands wear off, he is going to die. There is something to be done with a character who is this peaceful and willing to embrace death with dignity. We do already have Rockslide as a powerhouse, but he provides something that could be interesting. Bling!, Loa and Trance would occupy a more doe-eyed/along-for-the-ride mentality that we will technically get from one of the Cuckoos in a more interesting way. Dust is a good character but every issue with her is almost exactly the same and her power is brutal. I think she would stay behind on the island too, as would Bling!, Loa, and Trance. They have more Rogue-loyalty. As would Indra, who really isn't that interesting in my opinion and his personality is too similar to Elixer's. I want to see someone do something with Mercury and if I didn't think there was a fantastic team book to be had with The Stepford Cuckoos, she would be in there.
So, basically I'm envisioning a Generation X-style lineup of Anole, Blindfold, Elixer, Gentle, Rockslide, The Stepford Cuckoos, co-led by Prodigy and Surge.
I also envision a team of young X-Men lackeys that go after them consisting of Armor, Dust, Hellion, Indra, Mercury, Pixie, Trance, and if she's around X-23.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 8:35am |
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Interesting that folks are considering team dynamics rather than strictly the most popular...
Here're my picks:
1) Anole 2) Rockslide 3) Dust 4) Mercury 5) Pixie 6) Hellion 7) X-23 8) Indra
I'd actually make Victor the team leader, forcing him out of the buddy role with Rockslide a bit. The rest are just the ones who I feel have the best dynamics and bring a sense of family to the group... something the other X-books sorely lack. I'd likely keep the Cuckoos and Prodigy around as psi/tech support in a more prominent role than the other youngsters.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 8:39am |
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1.) Elixir 2.) Hellion 3.) Dust 4.) X-23 5.) Armor 6.) Surge 7.) Cipher 8.) Rockslide
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 3:42pm |
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Alot of good lineups but going off the reasoning set forth by Sabin and using the example of what happen with the New Mutants/X-Force (they leave because people aren't giving them the focus they need...and they want to explore themselves) I say his lineup and backstory would be worth a read.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 5:25pm |
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I say thank you, sir.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 5:48pm |
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Of course that all depends on a writer...for all the flack that Ink, Cipher, and Graymalkin get. 95% of it comes from the fact that Gugg didn't do right by them in the series. I mean with the exception of Wolfcub (who I just don't like for some strange reason), the team had potential...hell even Ink could have worked if used properly but he left such a bad taste in our mouths its hard for people to give him a chance.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 6:26pm |
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1. Prodigy - Team Leader
2. Surge - as Ciel put it, "the B*tch" and I think this would make Prodigy & Surge the new Scott & Emma :)
3. Dust - Good Powerset, Good Team Player, Interesting Backstory
4. Hellion - The A$$hole/Loose Cannon - every team needs one
5. No-Girl - She & Prodigy would work well together as tacticians and I think it would be interesting to pair her with...
6. Rockslide - Another guy without a body, technically, but he can make one for himself. And it brings a little more depth to him; could he actually like a girl for her personality, not her body?
7. Anole - Great Team player, works well off of Rockslide
8. Indra - showed GREAT potential in the Legacy arc, and I think he needs some more spotlight. I'd also like something to be brought up about how young he is as it was revealed that he was the youngest post MDay mutant before Hope was born.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 6:41pm |
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It does show that some of these characters are more popular than others. There are a common appearance of Surge, Hellion, Prodigy, and X-23. Interesting enough because they seemed to have had the most coverage...
The next two would be Rockslide and Anole, the pair that I bet people didn't think they'd like so much. The Morrison creations stick out too, mainly because they get shine outside of the kid books (Cuckoos pop up in quite a few places, even getting solo stories in anthologies...Dust has been recently connected to the New Mutants).
The rest seem to be about each person's particular preference (some people hate Pixie, others love her...some think Match or Indra are boring, others find them full of potential)...
I like things like this, because it kinda shows some of hte underlying feelings this group of fans feel about certain characters.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2011 at 1:45am |
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Anole - Armor - Blindfold - Bling! - Cipher - Crosta - Dust - Elixir -
Ernst - Gentle/Nezhno - Graymalkin - Hellion - Indra - Ink - Loa - Match
- Mercury - No-Girl - Pixie - Rockslide - Stepford Cuckoos
These characters could easily be their own rotating cast, but still would need to sorta put forth some kinda actual group dynamics.
For a more grounded, non-lethal team, I'd have Prodigy in charge of setting missions and determining the best people for it in a group that's sorta like the combined functions and purposes of X-Factor Investigations and Force Works. Proactively getting involved in helping out the little guy, in ways not solely expressed by how hard they can beat people up.
X-23 would put in some community service here, along with Mercury to allow them to rekindle their friendship on panel. Add in Trance for the astral side, and between these three, there's effectively no place that would be off-limits to them. Ink would be utilized for his connection to the streets, as ham-fisted an attempt at "street" as he is he at least tries. Also because really I'm trying to put males on this team that's built for investigations and espionage, and Prodigy and Ink are the only males available who don't have some physical characteristic about them that would otherwise make them stand out in the typical urban setting. Think about it.
Then there's the proactive attack team, going and fighting the people who need to be fought, even if they're not supervillains. Especially in the non-glamorous places that people don't really bother to do anything about anyway, your destitute environments and your foreign countries that aren't on the level of the U.S. in terms of technology.
I'd give Dust and Bling co-leadership of this group, as together they're understanding of the need to use force at times but not willing to do it lightly and even when having to be lethal they're not proud about it. This would separate them from most of the X-Men, who at this point have amassed a heavy body count of enemies and even innocents at times without batting an eyelash anymore, except when the young mutants do it and then it's a problem.
Hellion and Surge would be put to use in this team, as well as Rockslide and Loa. They all are very well capable of defending themselves and can follow orders when need be. Rockslide and Loa would keep things light and calm as best as possible, while Hellion and Surge have issues but would not harm their friends on this team.
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Anole should move into a main X-Men team. I'd love to see Cannonball have to deal with him as a teammate, being an equal and not just some kid he can order around like it's nothing. The tension between those two would be awesome.
Armor wouldn't be on a team because she's already been associated with an actual adult X-Men squad, and after that I doubt she'd listen to anybody else.
Others would not be included because they don't really do "teams" or because I'd still have them be training.
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Don't know about the body count thing but otherwise nice...
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Your average arc of New Mutants has as much death as X-Force these days. Funny, then, that one is actually there as a kill squad and the other just can't avoid it in the process of normal operations.
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Originally posted by Blackcyclops
Don't know about the body count thing but otherwise nice... | Your average arc of New Mutants has as much death as X-Force these days. Funny, then, that one is actually there as a kill squad and the other just can't avoid it in the process of normal operations. |
The only deaths caused by the New Mutants on purpose were those executed by Sam (unless I'm mistaken, I don't have that book on hand) and Warlock when he killed Cameron Hodge...the other New Mutants didn't kill anyone...
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IIRC, Warlock killed everybody there, not just Hodge. And that was after Karma was seen using the smileys' guns on each other. We never did see how effective those guns were, but if they weren't going to work then why use them? (For that matter, the Legion personalities that Magik and Karma killed... I suppose they kinda count.) And then don't forget Dani shooting that one girl in the face with an arrow. Sam didn't kill all of them herself (can't remember if Shan had Face kill anybody... there was certainly a bit of damage done).
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8) Ernst
7) Gentle/Nezhno
6) Loa
5) Mercury
4) Anole
3) Dust
2) Rockslide
1) X-23
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1) Pixie
2) X-23
3) Hellion
4) Dust
5) Rockslide
6) Cuckoos
7) Loa
8) Anole
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1) SURGE-- Despite all of her own doubts, she's proven on more than one occasion that she's willing to risk her own life in order to protect her fellow younger mutants, and I don't just mean generically by going into battle, but I mean by diving in front of a Predator X that was about to bite Indra's face off, preparing to be at ground zero after detonating a Nimrod, diving straight in to attack Belasco... I wouldn't have her as a team-leader, or at least not as a solo leader, but she could certainly co-lead a team with a little help from...
2) PRODIGY-- So, he remembers everything he ever learned whilst having his powers, which includes pretty much all of the tactical knowledge of Cyclops as well as the other X-Men and their fighting styles. What he needs now is to learn how to use those productively and efficiently in combat, whilst not making his team mates worry about whether or not they need to constantly protect the physically weakest member of the group.
3) HELLION-- He could as easily be this generation's answer to Dani Moonstar as he could be Magneto, it's just a case of tempering his anger and channelling it into a worthy outlet. Xavier's dream is pretty much perfect for that, if he was placed on either a search and rescue team (being able to sift through massive amounts of debris without risking destabilising it, for example) or a full on strike team. As arguably the most powerful of the surviving students, it seems criminal that he's pretty much been relegated to the role of comic relief over his lost hands.
4) MERCURY-- She has one of the most versatile powersets of the students. Difficult to injure permanently, malleable form and able to stealthily enter places. True, her power also gives her the setback of being vulnerable to electricity and magnetic energy, but that hasn't stopped some of the most prominent members of the X-Men, like Colossus or Wolverine. Almost in a role-reversal with Hellion, she could be moulded into a useful member of the X-Men if anyone was willing to work with her in order to combat her mental anguish over what was done to her at the Facility, and she's been shown time and time again to be one of the more caring and compassionate members of the student body. She could easily become the glue that keeps the students together.
5) ROCKSLIDE-- Because every team needs a big guy who can hit things and provide comedy gold. Nigh on impossible to kill due to his ability to reform, he could easily become this team's (less irritating) Deadpool character.
6) THE CUCKOOS-- I want to see the three of them relearning to feel after the departure of the Phoenix force, and to see them do something other than sit in Cerebra 24/7. I would also like to see them develop their own personalities and voices, as a hint towards future-based storylines where we've seen them with different hair etc... anything to break the 'must dress and act identically' loop they seem to be stuck in.
7) ANOLE-- The exact reasons Sabin said. Between Anole and Mercury this team of children who are all fairly damaged individuals need people to keep them sane and keep them reminded of their goals. Also, wherever Rockslide goes...
8) BLING!-- I felt like I needed a character to not make this K+Y's run... and I think she has a lot of potential. Similar powerset to Rockslide, but I think she proved in the Legacy arc that she has a degree of intelligence and is willing to step up when she needs to-- I think she'd be the kind of person who would question everything that the team does, and be the one to make them really think about what they're doing, rather than just being rather gung-ho and running into a fight half-cocked.
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If I had to pick 8 I'd go with:
1. Hellion
2. Surge
3. Dust
4. Mercury
5. Rockslide
6. Anole
7. X-23
8. Cuckoos
If I don't have to choose I'd lump all available young mutants (excluding New Mutants generation mutants) together including the Gen-Xer's as well as Link, Poltergiest, Pursuasion, Hope and the Five Lights when that fails and whoever else isn't doing anything into one group. It would be kind of a PR group focusing on search and rescue and the like to ease peoples minds about young mutants as well as Scott and Emma's attempt to give all these kids something to do besides fight for their lives. Of course things wouldn't go as planned and they would get into more exciting adventures along the way that would be more fun to read about. I would balance out the large cast by splitting attention across 2 or more missions and the ones left hanging out at Utopia. And since this is a fantasy maybe double the size of the book lol.
P.S. Reading everyone's ideas and writing my own down made me want a young muntants book even more than I already did.
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8) BLING!-- I felt like I needed a character to not make this K+Y's run... and I think she has a lot of potential. Similar powerset to Rockslide, but I think she proved in the Legacy arc that she has a degree of intelligence and is willing to step up when she needs to-- I think she'd be the kind of person who would question everything that the team does, and be the one to make them really think about what they're doing, rather than just being rather gung-ho and running into a fight half-cocked.
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This was the reason I chose Dust, granted she was also a part of the K+Y run, so I can see as how you wanted it to be a little more of a mix.
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1. Hellion - Shoe-in for most compelling character for his generation. Bully who made good but is slipping back into being voted 'Most Likely to Lead the Next Brotherhood'. 2. Stepford Cuckoos - No Phoenix should mean no more robo-Cuckoos. I've had a soft spot for the girls since their introduction and would love to see them in a more active role. 3. Anole - As some others said, it's hard to imagine a team without him there. 4. Rockslide - Same. These two are forever destined to hang together. 5. Pixie - Team transport and a good addition to the lighter Anole/Rockslide dynamic. Of the three kid flavors du jour, I like Pixie the best. Armor's soured on me a bit. 6. Surge - Team bitch. Well, so are the Cuckoos, but they're mostly just snarky. Nori is out there rage-crazy and there is a nice potential for fireworks with the other team hothead, Hellion. 7. Dust - Soft spot for the New X-Men students. I really like how she's been portrayed, and she has a pretty cool power set. She beat out Mercury mostly because she has a developed personality. 8. Bling! - I dropped X-23 to keep Roxy even though I have Rockslide already. Why? Laura can hold her own book (and she currently is). Let's not saturate the teams with her like her father. Easily the winner of Standout Background Character who could really use some more development. And hey, with two LBGT characters means there's no longer a token and we can try to move past it.
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