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    Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 3:29am
Is there a list anywhere that anybody knows of that shows who is the physically strongest member of the x-men? I was just randomly wondering if Colossus is stronger than Warpath. I would imagine so, but I don't know. Even a ranking of strength in the Marvel U in generally would be great. Obviously Hulk wins, but is Thor stronger than Hercules? Is colossus stronger than Thing?
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  Quote Monolith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 3:49am
It depends on when you look at them -- power levels go up and down all the time.
 
The Thing started at Class 5 strength, meaning he could lift 5 tons. His powers grew over time with repeated exposure to cosmic rays and other stimuli, making him classically a Class 85. In the 80's, he briefly evolved further into a larger, Class 100 strength level, but eventually reverted back to normal.
 
Thor and Hercules (at least, when they're gods) maintain a Class 100 strength level. (Class 100 really means lifting above and beyond 100 tons, the highest measurement point before they just stopped counting how strong a character was).
 
Colossus was Class 70 when he debuted, but received a permanent power boost in the 80's around the Fall of the Mutants, pushing him to Class 90-95 levels.
 
John Proudstar started at Class 5, as did his brother Jimmy. Through his time with X-Force, Warpath eventually grew into around a Class 90 strength level. A power boost he received during his secondary mutation increased him to Class 100 levels, but he has been significantly depowered in recent years, back down to around Class 10-15. Theoretically, the Decimation affected the additional strength he received from his secondary mutation just as it reverted Iceman back to human instead of permanent organic ice.
 
Juggernaut, of course, is typically a Class 100. Whenever he rebels against Cyttorak's path for him, however, his power levels weaken accordingly, putting down at around Class 50 or lower during his hero days with the X-Men and Excalibur.
 
Captain Britain originally was a Class 1 when he first got his powers. By the time of Excalibur, numerous revisions to his powers and abilities made him Class 85. Currently, his power levels vary depending on his faith and convictions.
 
Hulk is a baseline Class 70 as Gray Hulk, Class 85 as Green Hulk, and Class 100 as the Merged Hulk, with his strength level usually increasing at a variable rate with his rage.
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  Quote manuel_mc89 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 3:08am
I believe it was in the Storm mini Worlds Apart, where it was stated that Nehzno had surpassed Colossus in the strenght department, should we accept this as a fact? It was written by Yost if im not mistaken, also he created Nezhno.
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  Quote Ciel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 3:17am
With Nezhno the issue seems more to be that he does not have a static strength factor.  As long as he keeps using his powers they will continue to make him stronger.  His potential likely exceeds Colossus, but Nezhno's abilities are unclear at the moment given that he was using Vibranium tattoos to keep the powers in check, but I never did read anything that explained if the neutralization of the world's Vibranium in the end of Doomwar resulted in Nezhno having to permanently stop using his powers or he'd definitely have nothing holding him together the next time he hulks up.  I may be mistaken but I thought Worlds Apart preceded DoomWar.  But I could be wrong, and don't remember Worlds Apart too clearly.

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  Quote Monolith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 4:17am
Worlds Apart definitely preceded Doomwar --  it occured before T'Challa's injuries that led him to abdicate his position to Suri, injuries which occurred in BP (5th series) #1, and Doomwar followed the 12th issue of that series.
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  Quote manuel_mc89 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 4:18am
Worlds Apart did indeed preceded Doomwar, and we had no confirmation of what exactly happened to Gentle since that story, i assumed that if he would've used his powers he wouldve died, however, and if im not mistaken, in one of the many "fixings" that Mike Carey did after Age of X, we were shown Gentle back with his vibranium tatoos.
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  Quote totaldarknessin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 4:43pm
Strength has been iffy throughout the years at Marvel. I take it as, When they need to show strength they will, when they need to show weakness for storyline reasons, then magically someone isn't that strong anymore. Case in Point. Let's say Hulk or Juggernaut is a villain for storyline purposes.

Hulk or Juggernaut Punches a hero that doesn't have any super human durability or protective Armor. But yet, the hero goes flying, and soon later is back at it again. Instead of That hero's head being decapatated, or a hole is punched straight through the hero's chest and quite frankly that one punch would killed most hero's instantly. That is like getting hit by a wrecking ball from a bulldozer. That is instant kill, But not in Marvel. In a sense, it is used just to show how much someone can lift, but is applied in other instances as needed. In World War Hulk, So many people got punched by a very enraged Hulk, but yet there were like no casualties. Same with this recent Avengers vs. X-Men. Phoenix is ungodly powerful, but yet every gets blasted by it, but for storyline reasons, only Xavier dies. Everyone else just seem to have such powerful armor or wolverine level healing factor as they are alive walking and talking as if they were hit by the Wasp blasters and not by one of the most powerful Marvel entities in existance.

For a long time, I railed against constantly boosting people's power/strength levels, because when it comes to making a coherent story, you either have to assume the readers are dumb, or you have to severely depower the person in order for the actions in the story to make any sense.
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