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Topic: Dark of the Moon Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 2:24pm |
Seen it?
how is it?
seen mixed review saying the best and worst of the movies.
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Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 5:22pm |
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I won free tickets to the premiere in Berlin after waiting a couple hours on the edge of the red carpet just to get an up close and personal experience with Shia LaBeouf, Michael Bay and company for a few minutes. It was really awesome and they had a life size Bumblebee statue there. That said, I think the premiere was more fun than the movie itself. The plot was very thin. Rosie Huntington Whitley (I think thats her name) made January Jones look like an Oscar contender. John Malkovich was there for absolutely no reason, and his character had almost no bearing whatsoever to the story. And, yeah...because there was so much unnecessary filler, the movie really dragged. By the time it got to the final hour long action showdown, I was just ready for it to wrap up. Of course, there were some incredible visuals and some really intense fight scenes. But, on the whole it didnt really do it for me.
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Very spoiler-ific below!!! Beware!!!
I enjoyed it, because it absolutely reveled in its awful-ness. It's as though the directors/writers realized these movies are crap, and just decided, well, lets make the silliest, most over-the-top ridiculous crap we can come up with. The humor was even taken in that direction, and oh the cameos: Malvovich, Ken Jeong, Wash from Serenity, several cast members from the Buy-More in Chuck, Bill O'Reilly, Leonard Nimoy, BUZZ FREAKING ALDRIN!?
The visuals were a spectacle worth seeing alone. I think if you go in thinking, oh what the hell, I know this movie's plot is crap, I just want to see robots blow stuff up, then you will be fine. It's almost a fun game just to think of all the ways in which everything in the movie is absolutely inconceivable.
And from a fan-boy perspective - I enjoyed the inclusion of Shockwave and Soundwave.
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Wait what? Anna please explain the whole "Characters in the buy-more from Chuck" thing. Who? What was their roles? They weren't actually their characters right?
Sorry, I'll never see this movie. Michael Bay disgusts me...but I'm a huge Chuck fan!
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Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 7:32am |
God I hated this. An hour long finale action sequence may look cool, but it gets old. Let's get started:
The plot holes were big enough for a 747 to plow through. The dark side of the moon is constantly referenced as if it's stationary, although it really is just whatever side the sun isn't hitting during its rotation, so it changes. Megatron has some super plan that dates back to when they were still on Cybertron that contradicts everything that he does in the second film. Also the lack of inclusion of Megan Fox (while understandable) was handled poorly as they reference her being a bitch and dumping him, despite her whiny petitions that he say he loved her all through the second film. And, oh yeah, the government wants nothing to do with Sam despite the fact that they'd actually probably keep constant tabs on the kid who saved the world twice and has a bond with the aliens and knows all their secrets (the aliens' and the government's).
Self referential humor I usually enjoy but in this film it just highlighted what I was already asking (how could Sam get ANOTHER hot girl so utterly obsessed with him despite progressively becoming more and more obnoxious, demanding, bossy, and cocky? And WHY do the Deceptacons always have bigger, better bots than the Autobots? Haha, it's funny how that works, huh!). Oh, and they used that horribly annoying guy from the first two films I hate. Oh, and Leonard Nimoy said around three of his own Spock lines in the guise of Sentinel Prime, which I guess is fine but also wore thin.
Botox chick ran around in heals and did nothing the entire film. I remember what she looked like as a model, and her lips weren't so big they could be used as a liftoff device back in the day. Also, Megatron would've crushed her whether or not she pointed out something to him that he agreed with.
On the plus side, John Malkovich, Alan Tudyk, and Frances McDormand were wonderful cast additions, despite being given little to do...and despite McDormand as the only female in the film to do anything and have any power constantly have to be patronized as "ma'am" and comment on it in a way that directly implied a comparison to the younger "hotter" chick. God I'm just glad this is probably the last in the franchise.
And to be clear, I expected the movie to be crap. All the films have been. But the first one was entertaining and didn't make me want to rip my hair out. And I expected Bay to learn from his criticism (ie, your movies are racist and sexist) but he just made it worse.
Edited by Milkshake08 - 01-Jul-2011 at 7:34am
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Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 6:24pm |
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"Dark side of the Moon" is also used to refer (somewhat figuratively) to the side not visible from Earth. The moon is tidally locked to Earth thus there's almost half of it that can't be seen from Earth at all.
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Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 9:31pm |
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@XTremeOne: The Chuck employees that I saw were Jeff and the chubby red haired kid. I think there may have been a few more but these were truly just cameos, no lines. Jeff had the biggest part, John Malkovich flips out that one of the employees is using a red coffee mug on what is clearly the yellow floor. So Jeff is sent to grab the mug and dump it in his garbage bin that he's pushing around. The girl with the mug runs off crying, as Jeff saunters past with a pleased look on his face. It was pretty funny.
I think Milkshake is referring to the fact that they infer no one can see the crashed Transformers ship on "The Dark Side of the Moon" and her beef is the fact it would come around into view easily enough once it rotates. In my mind however, the idea wasn't that ithe ship could never be seen. In fact it had, and that''s what spurred Kennedy on to get NASA up and running. The idea of "The Dark Side of the Moon" being important, is that that's the justification they used that they would lose radio silence, and thus no one would know what the astronauts where doing during that time they were up there poking around at the ship. So that little bit didn't bother me, although maybe Milkshake is referring to something else.
Like I said, the movie was dreadful. I think I liked the fact that it recognized how dreadful it was than at least say the second movie, and so the comedy and action worked for me. But yes, please, don't go in expecting a good movie. Only go see it if you actually like bad movies, like I do, lol.
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Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 11:32pm |
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Yes, the dark side is also the far side, but it's not always dark...and also humans have never landed on the far side and thus if the spacecraft was there, humans would never have found it.
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Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 11:57pm |
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Well, either way add it to the rather long list if things that are hilariously bad about this movie.
Such as why does Optimus Prime and the Autobots do their whole plan of pretending to leave earth and being destroyed. All it does is provoke the Decepticons to attack Chicago and kill millions of people. If they'd stayed around on the planet they might have at least kept the Decepticons invasion a little more in check and not had quite so many fatalities!
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Posted: 02-Jul-2011 at 12:33am |
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Sounds like this movie is just like the other two as I predicted lol. Got me to see the first one...shame on me. Got me to see the second one...never again. Though it is funny that the opinion that Anna puts up about the movie knowing it's bad, yet Bay seems to think it's a masterpiece from the way I've heard him speak of it. While he is now blaming the second one sucking on the Writers Strike...even though the script was done before the strike and had rewrites and tweaks and he's the freaking director...if you can't find a way to salvage the script and make it better than yeah that's on you too buddy lol.
It is amazing that such big name actors and actresses continue to agree to star in these movies even though they are just dreadful summer time brainless popcorn movies. Oh how the mighty fall sometimes.
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Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 11:41am |
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Okay I saw the movie...Just a few things...
Yes the Autobot plan was just a bad plan. I mean I guess they can argue that they didn't think they'd kill so many humans but that doesn't fly with me. Because they pretty much implied they wanted to show the humans how bad the Decepticons really were LOL...
Why does Optimus Prime keep getting his butt kicked? I mean damn. I guess I'm biased because I love the guy but c'mon. He couldn't beat Sentinel Prime but Megatron could then he takes down Megatron? UGH
The U.S. government is incompetent. Just saying...I mean not even making this political. In this movie they are just piss poor at so many things.
And if Decepticons are this easy to beat, how did the Autobots lose the war? I mean humans were taking them down. I mean shoot the guys from the Expandables could have saved the day without any Autobots around LOL...Decepticons seem easier to kill than the Terminator...
Visually it was the best of the three movies...easily.
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Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 2:55pm |
It was the stupidest piece of sh*t Ive seen in a LONG LONG time. I cant think of something that could really parallel it, in terms of stupidity and nonsicalness.
There's no point in picking at it..cause once you do there's just a landslide of
"Wow, that was cliche, Corny"
"How improbable was that"
"Those guys seemeed to literally FLY around chicago once being dropped from the sky forever"
"What was the point of?"
Like jesus... that was rediculous.
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Posted: 04-Jul-2011 at 11:41pm |
From what I've read it sounds pretty much the same as the last one. Instead of wasting your time and money on it, I'd recommend read this instead: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/topless_robots_transformers_3_faq.php
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 12:02am |
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Heh I love those topless robot reviews.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 12:46am |
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Absolutely terrible movie - and I loved it. :D Every God dang minute of it.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 1:57am |
I liked it better than the second one but I actually liked the second one so blah. The thing is folks these movies are "popcorn" movies. They aren't supposed to be intelligent and well-thought out. No version of the transformers has ever been free of science blunders and continuity errors. As for the final batle? Megatron ambushes Sentinel from behind after Prime gets him 2/3 dead and then Prime takes out the half-working Megs who at this point knew he was helpless and his only defense was "What would you be without me to oppose you Prime?" Classic arch-rival logic. I see no problems with this. Yes the Megan Fox thing sucked but at least they dropped some fan-service by having his new girlfriend be named Carlee which was the love interest in the old cartoon. The faking death thing made a lot of sense in context. You are outnumbered 20 to 1 if not worse. Your only real option is guerellia warfare. Which only works if the enemy isn't making hunting you down Priority Number One. You have to make your opponent make themselves vunerable. That's called military strategy. Not to mention the whole "teach the humans" well let's see. Movie 2 showed most of the world's governments didn't trust the Autobots. Movie 3 makes this further known and obvious with lying on both sides and them freely agreeing to exile Optimus and company. So yeah I can see Optimus going "You know what? Let's show them WHY there are a handful of humans who do think they need us. Clearly talking isn't getting through to these morons" as a side-effect of his need to ambush the Decepticons. Plus the plan barely worked. The Autobots still needed the humans to bail their asses out when it was all said and done. The movie knows it wasn't a perfect plan but desperate times, desperate measures. My only "logical" problem with the movie. We lost like six Autobots between 2 and 3 with no explanation in movie 3. Would it have killed them to spend five minutes having a couple throw-away lines to explain this paring down?
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Alex I do everything like a hawk.
This isn't DC Comics -- Marvel continuity doesn't die out if you don't water it often enough.
The whole Batman idea is a very childish response to childhood trauma.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 2:27am |
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It's always mystified me where this idea came in recent years that to make a good summer blockbuster 'popcorn' movie it doesn't have to have plot or logic or even well thought out story. Just explosions and violence and good looking people doing these crazy things and as much CGI as you can possibly pack it with and it's all good. I don't begrudge people liking that as we all like what we like. Just seems odd to me cause while I'm going to the movies for escapism, I want something that challenges me in different ways and not just be flashy pictures and booms I guess lol.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 3:12am |
Originally posted by UncannyScott
It's always mystified me where this idea came in recent years that to make a good summer blockbuster 'popcorn' movie it doesn't have to have plot or logic or even well thought out story. Just explosions and violence and good looking people doing these crazy things and as much CGI as you can possibly pack it with and it's all good. I don't begrudge people liking that as we all like what we like. Just seems odd to me cause while I'm going to the movies for escapism, I want something that challenges me in different ways and not just be flashy pictures and booms I guess lol. |
Blame Star Wars...
And there were definitely some editing issues with the plane jumping scenes. *shrug*
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 4:54am |
Hmm.. both are good and hilarious. :)
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 11:05am |
Nobodies going into this expecting PLOT or LOGIC.. I was just staggered at how much of a stupid hot mess it was
I didnt realise it could go as LOW beneath the benchmark as it did
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Originally posted by grief
Absolutely terrible movie - and I loved it. :D Every God dang minute of it.
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I'm with you Grief. After each Transformers movie I thought through all the faults but really when I was in the cinema I loved each film.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 2:31pm |
i'm gonna see it anyways... eventually - so i may as well see it on the big screen...
how was shockwave handled? like the G1? or totally nothing like him?
I know its gonna suck... i'll see if i can sneek in.
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This was the first Transformers movie that I really enjoyed. It was easier for me to tell the difference between the robots in this movie, the action was easier to follow because there didnt appear to be as many quick cuts, and the comedy relief bits were not as annoying as they were in previous movies.
This had great action sequences, a simple easy to follow plot, amazing special effects where I didn't even notice the CG for most of the film even though I knew it was there in abundance. And the 3D was actually tolerable.
What I still don't get is the problem fans of superhero comics have with overlooking bad dialogue, plot holes, impossible action sequences, and cliche storylines in popcorn flicks. I mean come on, we read SUPERHERO comics. These are the stupid dumb fun blockbusters of the comic world. Most superhero books are preposterous and horribly bad when judged on a critical level alongside an independent comic. Yet we all put up with the retcons, the clones, the resurrections, the amature dialogue, the plot holes, the dropped storylines, the impossible physics, the lack of character development, and so much more all because we wanna see superdudes punch each other.
It's all dumb fun. If we can allow ourselves to enjoy Uncanny X-Force while accepting that it may not be on par with Y The Last Man or The Walking Dead, then it shouldn't be a problem when it comes to movies.
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 4:18pm |
Again, I think its fine that its dumb fun. But it didnt have to be this dumb...
eg. The decepticons come in to chicago and proceed to MASSACRE there human work force?
The Decepticons had apparently made it nigh impossible to get into the heavily fortified
chicago city.. but as that scene played out, our main human heroes seem to meet more
and more branches of the army, special forces etc as they rounded corners ....
They slide down the side of the collapsing building only to fall through the glass and
apparently face yet another steep fall through the floor. Yet when they survive, they
are showing being able to walk along/down the sloping floor, which is only now
marginally tilted.
Optimus Prime can ONLY speak in Cliches.. but thats okay..because tomorrow they
are "Bringing the fight to them"
We have this stilted.. three man-whos the main boss/threat thing going on between
a shockwave/sentinal/megatron thing.. Oh and we need a 10 minute Starscream
death sequence.. complete with Sam Bouncing about all over the place and sustaining
no injury..
...But I guess he's made of tougher stuff than most people assume,
especially when he WALKS off ( okay, not walks off.. the poor guy sustained a
momentary limp) being on the outside during the collison of the decepticon glider
and the chicago street.
Why are there still 20000 unidentifiable decepticons and only 5-7 autobots?
And why the hell did we decide to branch out and give them more colourful accents.
(I thought the reasoning for JAZZ in number one made a little more sense - picked
up from Youtube etc)... but hey, sure lets have a scottish accented one
At times I really wasnt sure what I was watching? --- an off beat, Pinapple express
type movie ( see asian weirdo in the office scenes and german P.A. in the russian
bar scene)
There's just TOO much stupidity to accept it as a simple " dont judge it cause its a
popcorn movie"... its a bad popcorn movie
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Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 4:48pm |
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X-Men First Class and Thor are popcorn movies, and they are miles above this. Dark Knight is a "popcorn movie." Much better. The Bourne movies, Matrix films, Star Trek...all popcorn flicks. Why can't we say this one was bad? I enjoyed the first Transformers despite thinking it was stupid. And I saw X-Men The Last Stand and hated it....so did a lot of people on this board. Were we judging THAT too harshly too?
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