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Topic: Thundercats Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 3:42am |
Is anyone else as excited as I am about the new Thundercats series on Cartoon Network? It airs July 29th with a one hour premiere, and from what I've seen it looks pretty promising. Check it out
Cartoon Network has a pretty solid record of putting out quality programs. I would love to have an episode by episode discussion going.
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I'm not sure how I feel about it. It is a remake? Or are they going in a different direction story-wise? I guess I'll have to wait and see.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 7:20am |
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I'm excited medium...
The original did not age well AT ALL...then again most 80s cartoons don't (70s and 60s seem to age better for some reason).
This version seems to actually involve a more structured story...And the animation isn't bad either.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 7:44am |
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It's a remake. The new new series takes place on Thundara, IIRC, with a younger Lion-O inheriting the Sword of Omens in a moment of crisis.
I'M excited for this. I watched my roommates first two seasons of the original cartoon and loved the creativity, I was horrified by the lack of reasoning and plotwork. There was episode that had Lion-O save UNICORNS from CYBORG PIRATES on their supposedly deserted planet. WTF is that? So I'm looking forward to more of a plot being added in.
The animation is nice and crisp as well, so beautiful. This reminds of the last Masters of the Universe cartoon they did, but better looking.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 4:15pm |
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I agree, Grief. I hope most of the abandoned planet aspects are removed. It also seems to have some political/social subtext running through in the 9 minute preview that leaked online. I'm also really excited to see some depth given to the characters like the relationship between adopted brothers Tigra and Liono, which seems to provide ample opportunities.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 5:08pm |
Obsessed with the original cartoon and obsessed with this remake. I read all about it the other day and got so amped.
Here's a link to their blog ( http://thundercatsanimated.blogspot.com/)
and a link to some "MTV Geek" articles about it:
The cast: http://geek-news.mtv.com/2011/03/14/meet-the-new-thundercats-cast/
The trailer: http://geek-news.mtv.com/2011/02/26/new-thundercats-cartoon-network-trailer-premiers/
EDIT: made the hyperlinks active
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Why does Claudus have a tiger for a son?
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Posted: 30-Jul-2011 at 3:01am |
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope
Why does Claudus have a tiger for a son? |
Perhaps a different mother, like with lions in the wild. He mated with several types of cat women. And Lion-O is from the royal bloodline, thus making him a lion cub and descendant of the royal lineage.
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But if Thundera is a tradittional patriarchy, Tygra would also be of royal blood.
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Posted: 30-Jul-2011 at 4:00am |
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope
But if Thundera is a tradittional patriarchy, Tygra would also be of royal blood. |
True but I saw it as that good ol'racial purity as well. That Lion-O is of pure blood, while Tigra is of mixed lineage.
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Posted: 30-Jul-2011 at 8:13pm |
The designs are a bit better than the original because sometimes they looked furry instead of people in body paint. I wish the protagonists still looked more feline & less anime human though. It's odd seeing the background characters be the only ones with tails, snouts , & whiskers.
Clancy Brown should've used his Kurgan voice rather than his Capt. Stacy voice. His betrayl was obvious and fast, especially if you've seen the original, so I would've liked a harsher voice than the friendlier one used.
Snarf is adorable.
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Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 3:20pm |
Obsessed with this cartoon. I watched the premier about 3 times already. I love that they're giving this story new life. They have been showing episodes of the classic series and there really wasn't a story, ha. Though it was awesome to see the Cats battle it out every week, a cartoon like that can't survive nowadays. This was just epic.
I love all the characters' portrayals. Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Wily Kit and Kat, Jaga, Claudus, Mumm-ra, Slythe, everyone was great. There was even a Lynx-O cameo! And having Lion-O's original voice actor do Claudus was genius.
Why were people on Twitter all a flutter about Panthro? Clearly he's not really dead, lol. They're sure to find him as they're traveling around, looking for the Book of Omens.
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope
Why does Claudus have a tiger for a son? |
From what I've read, Tygra is adopted. I forget the circumstance but he is not Claudus biological son.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2011 at 4:53pm |
What did everyone think? So far, I think it's pretty strong. I like the culture and political situation they set up. It reminded me slightly of Gargoyles considering it opened with a dramatic defeat and Claudus even gasps, "What sorcery is this?!?"
Mumm-ra and technology being something of urban legends seemed to work pretty well, although I would have preferred if Mumm-ra remained as such a little bit longer. Although Mumm-ra's entrance surprised me.
The relationship that is being established between Lion-o, Tygra, and Cheetara is also an advantage for this version. In the original series, we never really get to see why this group functions well together or why they have such allegiances together being besides being the only survivors of Thundera. The Lion-o/Tyrgra dynamic works well enough especially considering Tygra was a bit flat in the original series. He was always my favorite though, and I always liked his invisibility powers.
Jaga's sacrifice and the clerics leave plenty of area to explore for future episodes.
The animation is a good fit as well. The redesigns are a good blend of modern but invoke the 80's style.
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Tygra and Cheetara were my favorites as well, medium.
I love the new relationships because they hardly had any characterization. The only person who had a real function was Panthro because he created all the tech. But the rest just stood around and had nothing to do but answer Lion-O's thundercat call. Now, with Tygra as the adopted prince, Cheetara as one of the last remaining clerics, and Lion-O as the king without a kingdom, they all have much stronger direction and motivations.
I would have like if Mumm-ra stayed a legend and revealed himself later as well... but the twist of him killing Claudus and giving a real reason for his continued fight against Lion-O are great here whereas he really didn't have a reason to be attacking the Thundercats in the original series.
Was there a theme song? I missed the first few seconds so I didn't see. Is it similar to the awesome original?
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Posted: 04-Aug-2011 at 5:26pm |
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I didn't see a theme either, but that is somewhat typical for the first episode.
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After reading a few things online, it doesn't seem like they will be leaving the planet afterall.
Seems like they're already on Third Earth and that the series will revolve around them regaining their position there and defeating Mumm-ra. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense why Mumm-ra, Slythe, and everyone else is already on the same planet as the Thundercats. Makes me think that this planet already has other mutants (jackalman, monkian, and vultureman) and maybe even the ro-bear berbils and other creatures from the original series.
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Yes, i got the distinct impression that this was Third Eath also, in fact in might have been said. I can't wait for the Lunatics or whatever they were. Oh, did I forget to mention that I was excited about the Lynx-o cameo?
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Haha, yeah... I mentioned the Lynx-O cameo as well. It was awesome. I wonder if we'll see more of him and even Pumyra and Bengali. Maybe jumping ahead since we haven't even seen Panthro yet, lol.
There's just so much they could do with the story they've set up besides the main plot of Lion-O taking down Grune/Mumm-ra and restoring the kingdom. They could delve more into Tygra's story, helping him to find his true clan. They could go more into the clerics and have a story with Cheetara there. Maybe even find the snarf village
The Lunatics were out of control! I wonder how many characters and stories they'll bring over from the original series. Like that snow warrior dude and his cat, Snowmeo.
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I know it's just one episode in, but so far, this is shaping up to be a terrific update.
Love the new set-up, the new characterizations, (Man, who'd thought Tygra could be so arrogant) The original cartoon had a very loose mythology woven into it. Here, the mythology seems much more coherent with some interesting new additions. (The Eye of Thundera originally belonged to Mumm-Ra?!) Hopefully, some of the new history of Third Earth, along with the history of the Thundera Empire, will be explored or shown as the show continues.
ONLY Clancy Brown could be the voice of Grune the Destroyer. LOVED the Lynx-O cameo (please have him survive the destruction!) And when Lion-O went to that tech merchant at the beginning, I could've sworn the merchant handed him the arm of a RoboBear Berbil.
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I was surprised to learn that it was Will Friedle (Eric Matthews from Boy Meets World) who is doing the voice for Lion-O... I looked him up and he does a lot of voice over work.
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@chrissstopher - Yeah, I know him best as Terry from Batman Beyond and Ron Stoppable from Kim Possible. Good shows. : )
As for Thundercats - I LOVED IT ALL. Animation was smooth and clean, and best of all, I loved that the animation of the voices matched the pronunciations. I'm used to watching animation this clean, but always in Japanese, as I watch a lot of anime, so seeing it match up is just a bonus treat. So loved that they got the original Lion-O to be Claudus - I laughed so manically my gf looked at me weird.
Also, Wilykit and Kat weren't NEARLY as annoying as I expected! I actually like this version of them.
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Absolutely great show!!!
What did everybody think of the third episode? It wasn't as strong as the pilot for me but I still enjoyed it nonetheless.
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Ramlak Rising: Episode Three
This episode was good, a bit of a sophomore slump, a strong showing. The role reversal for Tygra and Lion-O was well done considering the first two episodes presented Tygra as too unyielding. Here, they both develop into more round characters as Lion-O is consumed by rage and Tygra comes off as more compassionate.
I found the plot to be somewhat nonsensical, but I like that we get to see more of this planet, especially the sand sea which is a creative little region. I was hoping that the crew would show some prejudice toward the cats (as fish are probably another second class species) but they seem generally oblivious to the identity of their prisoners. Likewise, they possess powerful technology (such as a flying ship, concussive weapons, and even shooting harpoons). This seems like a plot hole since it's established that technology was a myth in the first two episodes, yet here pirates are using weapons regularly just a days journey from the ruins of the Thundercat lair. Even further, Tygra is relying on his new weapon, but if I were the writer, I would focus heavily on his invisibility and whip.
Wiley Cat and Kit get more screen time, which is a good thing. They are handled fairly well for children, and I have to admit I like that they resort to kitty behavior when they want something. Did anyone else find it disgusting when the bit into the tentacles of the monster?
However, the conclusion of the episode shows that Lion-O has learned lesson and is coming to terms with his task. The surprise inclusion of Jaga was exciting as I assumed like the other cats that he was dead. You can't help but feel bad for him. Seems as if the race for the book is on.
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I agree that the pilot episode was awesome, however Ramlak Rising was somewhat of a letdown. I was dissapointed that Tygra and Cheetara seemed to simply follow Lion-O without putting up much of an agument over his reckless actions. Based on the previous episode I thought that Tygra should have put Lion-O in his place, after cutting him a little slack at first. The idea of being King to a small handful of survivors feels a little silly to me. The best moment was the ending with the reveal that Jaga is alive.
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Agreed, the 3rd episode wasn't that great but I still enjoyed it. Seeing Lion-O take the lead was done well, his anger fueling him and making him want to ignore Jaga's instructions, but I agree that Tygra and Cheetara should have offered more resistance than they did (Cheetara said almost nothing).
Wily Kit and Wily Kat were great, I love them here so much more than in the original series. They seriously made me lol when they were meowing at Lion-O to convince him to bring them into the group. And they were definitely wily, but I'd like to see this played up more like it was in the original series (only one episode, I'm sure we'll see more of their antics).
@medium - maybe the Thunderians thought technology was a myth because they were sheltered in their kingdom and just listened to what others told them. In the first episode, Lion-O knows where to find technology very easily so the myth looks like something that was perpetuated to keep them subjugated... but to whom? Maybe Grune (seems he was one of the few who left the walls of Thundera)?
As for the fish people, they didn't seem to know who Lion-O was or any of their "food" so that also leads me to believe that the cats had basically cut themselves off from the outside world and only sent generals and other soldiers outside of the kingdom. Cutting themselves off from the rest of Third Earth caused their downfall and it will be part of the eye-opening experience that Lion-O and the other will undergo that will make him the greatest king.
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